Posted on 05/02/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
Latent incubation
Between the fifth and tenth centuries, the dialects of spoken Vulgar Latin diverged in various parts of their domain, eventually becoming distinct languages.....
Recognition of the vernaculars
Between the 10th and 13th centuries, some local vernaculars developed a written form and began to supplant Latin in many of its roles. In some countries, such as Portugal, this transition was expedited by force of law; whereas in others, such as Italy, many prominent poets and writers used the vernacular of their own accord.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13635b.htm
LOL!
***And you need to read John 3:36.
Nothing new about it. ***
John 3:
36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.
I find that you post regularly stating that you do not do this or that that Christ commanded us to do. You do not believe in following the Beatitudes, for instance and claim that they don’t apply to you. I suggest that you meditate upon this verse and upon the entire Gospel.
***[ ***You have no idea what the Rosary is.
It is a bunch of beads that keep track of how many Hail Mary’s and Our Fathers you say. I believe the ratio is three or is it five hail Mary’s to each Our Fathers? ***]
I really like the way that you keep proving my points for me.
Actually, I have proven mine beause that is what a rosary is, a bunch of beads that religious people use to keep track of their prayers. ***
All that you have proven is that you dislike the Rosary without finding out anything about it. You claim that it promotes vain babbling even though the Apostle’s Creed begins it and the Pater Noster is contained throughout it.
And let us see what Paul says about praying:
1 Thess 5:
17
Pray without ceasing.
The Rosary is a holy aid to praying without ceasing; or would you say that Paul babbles? Is Paul babbliciously good to the children of the Reformers?
***I would encourage you to read the entire Gospels so that misinterpretations are lessened.
And I would encourage you to read the entire New Testament to find out how you must be saved.***
Ah, another Paulician who believes that the words of Jesus are trumped by misunderstandings of Paul.
***What part of John 3:36 do you not understand? ***
We not only understand your cherry picked verse taken out of context, we also understand the entire Gospels in context.
***Latin stopped being a common spoken language hundreds of years before the 1600’s.
As did Kione Greek.
Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me! ***
You must be product of the American public school system. Latin was not replaced as the universal language in the West until French in the 1600s and 1700s. I suppose that you believe that Jesus used the KJV to teach Scripture.
***Well, I stand corrected, and my initial statement was a true one, the Roman Catholic was a branch of the medieval governments-the religious one. ***
How can you call yourself corrected when you persist in your error? That’s like a cannibal calling himself corrected when informed about the wrongness of cannibalism just before he has roast haunch of neighbour.
***Role of the Church in Government Often, in the Middle Ages, the churches and governments ruled together. Bishops and Abbots would read and write for kings and often became vassals. Local priests were appointed by local lords, and so were expected to uphold their wishes. Thus, the role of the church and rulers was interconnected. http://mr_sedivy.tripod.com/med_hist3.html***
Ah, the vaunted and learned Mr. Sedivy, Church expert. I was interested in this little tidbit since it was written in words of one paragraph or less. What about Mr. Sedivy?
Mr. Sedivy’s Highlands Ranch High School History Site offers over 400 web pages of historical information that you won’t find in most high school textbooks.
Why won’t you find them? Mostly because they’re wrong. Interesting site, though. He is a perfect example of why third and fourth world nations are producing children who are clobbering American kids in scholastic achievement.
***It might help our discussions further if you would let me know if you are simply forgetful or some other condition exists.
You don’t intend to keep spaming me with your innane posts do you?
You clearly have nothing factual to say. ***
Not only do I speak with facts, I usually am able to spell and utilize amazingly advanced techniques such as grammar. It is you that have produced a plentitude of statements seriously at variance to reality.
***I know you have rejected the grace of God and I can tell the condition of your soul by your posts.***
Matt 7:
1
“Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2
For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.
3
Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?
4
How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye?
5
You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.
No person can Judge another’s soul. I can judge whether or not you act in concert with the Church or with Scripture, but I cannot Judge your soul. Only God can. Unless you are the Lord God Almighty, your claim that you can can only come from the brightest angel.
With rosemary and garlic? Mmmmm.
***Between the 10th and 13th centuries, some local vernaculars developed a written form and began to supplant Latin in many of its roles. ***
Wikipedia, the most accurate reference text known to man.
Began to supplant in many of its roles does not mean that Latin was still not the universal language until French replaced it and then English replaced that beginning in the 1800s.
The American public school system is very proud of many of its graduates, I believe.
***...roast haunch of neighbour...
With rosemary and garlic? Mmmmm.***
I really do think that these people would eat their own.
Wikipedia, the most accurate reference text known to man.
Typical, always attack the source when you can't deal with the facts.
Began to supplant in many of its roles does not mean that Latin was still not the universal language until French replaced it and then English replaced that beginning in the 1800s.
Latin was not the common people's language for hundreds of years before the 1600s.
It was only used by the intellectuals.
The American public school system is very proud of many of its graduates, I believe.
And the reason English replaced all of the languages of the world as the major language was the influence of the King James Bible spreading throughout the British Empire.
As for the American public school system, its early text books were based on the Bible.
McGuffey was remembered as a theological and conservative teacher. He understood the goals of public schooling in terms of moral and spiritual education, and attempted to give schools a curriculum that would instill Presbyterian Calvinist beliefs and manners in their students. http://www.mcguffeyreaders.com/1836_original.htm
Nothing new about it. *** John 3: 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.
Didn't say it was new, but to note that those who do not believe on the Son of God face the wrath of God.
I find that you post regularly stating that you do not do this or that that Christ commanded us to do. You do not believe in following the Beatitudes, for instance and claim that they don’t apply to you. I suggest that you meditate upon this verse and upon the entire Gospel.
No, I never stated that, I have stated that you cannot be saved by what is stated in those passages.
To perform those acts you must have the grace of God in you, which comes by faith.
[ ***[ ***You have no idea what the Rosary is. It is a bunch of beads that keep track of how many Hail Mary’s and Our Fathers you say. I believe the ratio is three or is it five hail Mary’s to each Our Fathers? ***] I really like the way that you keep proving my points for me. Actually, I have proven mine because that is what a rosary is, a bunch of beads that religious people use to keep track of their prayers. *** ]
All that you have proven is that you dislike the Rosary without finding out anything about it. You claim that it promotes vain babbling even though the Apostle’s Creed begins it and the Pater Noster is contained throughout it.
And how many more hail Mary's?
Far more than the our Fathers, so your deception is obvious.
And let us see what Paul says about praying: 1 Thess 5: 17 Pray without ceasing.
That doesn't mean vain repetitions, which is condemned in Matthew 6.
Nor does it mean praying to Mary.
The Rosary is a holy aid to praying without ceasing; or would you say that Paul babbles? Is Paul babbliciously good to the children of the Reformers?
The Rosary is an abomination that encourages prayers to the devil known as the 'Queen of Heaven' mentioned in Jer.44.
[ ***I would encourage you to read the entire Gospels so that misinterpretations are lessened. And I would encourage you to read the entire New Testament to find out how you must be saved.*** ]
Ah, another Paulician who believes that the words of Jesus are trumped by misunderstandings of Paul.
No the words of John 3:36 and 3:16 will suffice.
Ofcourse, there is no contradiction between any scriptures, only those who want to reject grace and find ways to ignore what Paul states clearly in Rom. 4 and Eph.2 to note just two.
[ ***What part of John 3:36 do you not understand? *** ]
We not only understand your cherry picked verse taken out of context, we also understand the entire Gospels in context.
Like I said, show from the context that John 3:36 isn't saying that if you don't believe in Christ you will face the wrath of God?
You can't, so all you've shown yourself to be is a truth denier.
[ ***Latin stopped being a common spoken language hundreds of years before the 1600’s. As did Kione Greek. Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me! *** ]
You must be product of the American public school system. Latin was not replaced as the universal language in the West until French in the 1600s and 1700s. I suppose that you believe that Jesus used the KJV to teach Scripture.
Latin was not the language of the common people long before the 1600's.
It was only used by the intellectuals.
The common people read and spoke in their own native language, which wasn't Latin.
As for what language Jesus used, I know He didn't use Latin!
[ ***Well, I stand corrected, and my initial statement was a true one, the Roman Catholic was a branch of the medieval governments-the religious one. *** ]
How can you call yourself corrected when you persist in your error? That’s like a cannibal calling himself corrected when informed about the wrongness of cannibalism just before he has roast haunch of neighbour.
Gee, what a brilliant analogy!
Did you think that one up all by yourself.
The RCC was a branch of the Government during the Middle Ages.
[ ***Role of the Church in Government Often, in the Middle Ages, the churches and governments ruled together. Bishops and Abbots would read and write for kings and often became vassals. Local priests were appointed by local lords, and so were expected to uphold their wishes. Thus, the role of the church and rulers was interconnected. http://mr_sedivy.tripod.com/med_hist3.html*** ]
Ah, the vaunted and learned Mr. Sedivy, Church expert. I was interested in this little tidbit since it was written in words of one paragraph or less. What about Mr. Sedivy? Mr. Sedivy’s Highlands Ranch High School History Site offers over 400 web pages of historical information that you won’t find in most high school textbooks. Why won’t you find them? Mostly because they’re wrong. Interesting site, though. He is a perfect example of why third and fourth world nations are producing children who are clobbering American kids in scholastic achievement.
I didn't just give you a single quote, I gave you two that showed that the Roman Catholic religion was part of medieval governments.
So, stop blowing smoke.
[ ***It might help our discussions further if you would let me know if you are simply forgetful or some other condition exists. You don’t intend to keep spaming me with your innane posts do you? You clearly have nothing factual to say. *** ]
Not only do I speak with facts, I usually am able to spell and utilize amazingly advanced techniques such as grammar. It is you that have produced a plentitude of statements seriously at variance to reality.
Really?
II haven't seen much on the way of facts, but I have seen alot of overblown rhetoric by someone who thinks he is alot smarter than he is.
[ ***I know you have rejected the grace of God and I can tell the condition of your soul by your posts.*** Matt 7: 1 “Stop judging, that you may not be judged. 2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. 3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye? 5 You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye. No person can Judge another’s soul. I can judge whether or not you act in concert with the Church or with Scripture, but I cannot Judge your soul. Only God can. Unless you are the Lord God Almighty, your claim that you can can only come from the brightest angel.
Another person can judge another persons soul by their words and actions.
'By their fruits ye shall know them'.
You have rejected the grace of God and you will burn.
My advice to you is to enjoy the taste of water while you can now, since when you enter into eternity, you will never taste it again (Luke 16).
The bishops and abbots also had a great share in the government of states in the Middle Ages. They took a leading part in the great assemblies common to most of the Germanic nations; they had a voice in the election of the kings; they performed the coronation of the kings; they lived much at the Court, and were the chief advisors of the kings.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09066a.htm
What wimpy comments. When are we going to find out how you reallllly feel! LOL.
Nice to see things stated so clearly and simply. I haven’t read every phrase but the gist I scanned seems rather Biblically based.
Not that Biblically based seems to hold much water in some parts.
http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/4_ch09.htm
I can't believe you are really as dumb as your posts would indicate you to be.
I must assume it is the result of apologetic zeal.
Hey, Quix good to see you back!!!
Praise The Lord and pass the ammo!
And thanks to JimRob.
Good to be back.
You don't believe in the Gospel.
***Wikipedia, the most accurate reference text known to man.
Typical, always attack the source when you can’t deal with the facts. ***
Wikipedia is written by anonymous sources who submit articles. Facts taken from wiki are suspect at best. I’d rely on some other sources.
***Latin was not the common people’s language for hundreds of years before the 1600s.
It was only used by the intellectuals. ***
Try to follow the bouncing ball. Latin was the universal language of communication until it was replaced by French.
***And the reason English replaced all of the languages of the world as the major language was the influence of the King James Bible spreading throughout the British Empire. ***
English replaced French as the univeral world language when the British Empire became the greatest empire in the world. There was some competition from the Spanish, Portuguese, German, Dutch and Russian empires. But the biggest reason was not the KJV; it was the military one. English was the language of the conquerors, just as Latin was the language of the Romans.
***Nothing new about it. *** John 3: 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.
Didn’t say it was new, but to note that those who do not believe on the Son of God face the wrath of God.***
You really should go back and read your old posts to find out what you posted and what you didn’t.
***No, I never stated that, I have stated that you cannot be saved by what is stated in those passages.
To perform those acts you must have the grace of God in you, which comes by faith.***
Are you saying that you must have faith first, and then you acquire the Grace of God?
***And how many more hail Mary’s?
Far more than the our Fathers, so your deception is obvious.***
Deception? Who am I deceiving? You? God? What under Heaven are you talking about?
***And let us see what Paul says about praying: 1 Thess 5: 17 Pray without ceasing.
That doesn’t mean vain repetitions, which is condemned in Matthew 6.***
So, you don’t follow Paul’s exhortation and the reason is that when you pray you don’t babble, right? But when I pray, that is babbling. And you know all this about me how?
***The Rosary is an abomination that encourages prayers to the devil known as the ‘Queen of Heaven’ mentioned in Jer.44.***
I didn’t know that the Mother of God is a devil. Nice religion. The Mary that I have in my Scripture was a nice little Jewish girl who bore Our Lord. What religion did you say that you followed?
***Like I said, show from the context that John 3:36 isn’t saying that if you don’t believe in Christ you will face the wrath of God?
You can’t, so all you’ve shown yourself to be is a truth denier.***
Scripture instructs us far more than little snippets. Scripture says that you must believe; it also says what you must do and the consequences if you don’t. That is why our Bibles are whole and therefore our Christianity is whole; abridged Bibles and mutilated verse obviously spawn abridged and mutilated religion. As you keep showing.
***The common people read and spoke in their own native language, which wasn’t Latin.
As for what language Jesus used, I know He didn’t use Latin!***
The common people couldn’t read. Are you that unlearned of historical times?
What language did Jesus use?
***Gee, what a brilliant analogy!
Did you think that one up all by yourself.***
I tried to make it easy for you.
***I didn’t just give you a single quote, I gave you two that showed that the Roman Catholic religion was part of medieval governments.***
Wikipedia does not count unless backed up by more sound references. High school teachers who brag that they post things not found in high school textbooks are not sound references either. You have proven nothing here.
***Really?
II haven’t seen much on the way of facts, but I have seen alot of overblown rhetoric by someone who thinks he is alot smarter than he is. ***
Your statements, although you think that they have the force of fact, are merely your statements. Repeating them and occasionally referring to suspect websites do not give them the status of facts.
***Another person can judge another persons soul by their words and actions.***
The only Judge that I recognize is the Lord God Almighty. The only entity other than Him that claims the same is the brightest angel. I do not suspect that you are God.
***You have rejected the grace of God and you will burn.***
Give Fred Phelps all my best, if you would.
***My advice to you is to enjoy the taste of water while you can now, since when you enter into eternity, you will never taste it again ***
My advice to you is read Matthew 7 and try to understand it.
***The bishops and abbots also had a great share in the government of states in the Middle Ages. They took a leading part in the great assemblies common to most of the Germanic nations; they had a voice in the election of the kings; they performed the coronation of the kings; they lived much at the Court, and were the chief advisors of the kings.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09066a.htm***
Applause. The Church influenced governments; they were not a branch of it.
***You don’t believe in the Gospel.***
You know more about me than I do, don’t you. I envy you your mind reading abilities.
The only Gospel that you have mentioned is a snippet of Mark and a couple verses of John. Hardly complete.
We, of course, have the entire Gospel - the pinnacle of Scriptural truth through which we view the rest of the NT and through that, the Old. We consider the Bible so great that we share it with all including the heathen and the ungrateful.
***Nice to see things stated so clearly and simply.***
I do my best.
You know more about me than I do, don’t you. I envy you your mind reading abilities. The only Gospel that you have mentioned is a snippet of Mark and a couple verses of John. Hardly complete. We, of course, have the entire Gospel - the pinnacle of Scriptural truth through which we view the rest of the NT and through that, the Old. We consider the Bible so great that we share it with all including the heathen and the ungrateful.
The Gospel is found in 1Cor.15:3-5, which you reject, since one must accept it by faith and not add works to it (Eph.2:8-9, Rom.4:4-5).
Christians do share the Gospel with heathen and the ungrateful, as I have been sharing it with you, but you still reject it!
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