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Why Evangelicals are Returning to Rome
CIC ^ | April 2008 | Bob DeWaay

Posted on 05/02/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by Augustinian monk

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To: Petronski

“...there WERE NO CATHOLICS in the first century.”

False.

Your ignorance is astounding but not surprising. Brainwashing is hard to over come.

This is as bad as the Catholics putting the Old Testament scriptures into order. The only trouble is they already had an order long before any Catholic thought about them.

When you can name me chapter and verse that specifically calls the members of the first century churches CATHOLIC, get back to me.


401 posted on 05/03/2008 5:46:27 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: swmobuffalo

Since you can name no writing referencing “North America” in 500AD, obviously North America did not then exist.


402 posted on 05/03/2008 5:47:34 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: swmobuffalo

***Sheer arrogance. When these letters and gospels were written they weren’t written by Catholics because there WERE NO CATHOLICS in the first century.***

Interesting. The first written reference we have to Catholic is about 80 AD written as if it were a commonplace and well known fact.

***You can tout the Bible as the Catholic gift to the world, fact remains that Catholics didn’t write it.***

We freely give what we have assembled to the surly, the unrepentent, and the ungrateful. And we accept the spitting and the plucking of our beards by the wrathful and the jealous.


403 posted on 05/03/2008 5:48:13 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: swmobuffalo
P.S. When you can name me chapter and verse that specifically states sola scriptura, get back to me.
404 posted on 05/03/2008 5:48:44 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I said in a moment of sarcasm: "Ah, we have Bibliolatry; the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible and the Catholics suppressed it."

Ah, so it was just sarcasm.

You very clearly are saying here that "Bibliolatry" is believing "the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible" (and I guess this also means that Bibliolatry is also believing the "Catholics suppressed the Bible," which of course they have many many times.)

Let's clarify: Do you now amend your statement under the excuse it was just "sarcasm" and do you believe the Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures?

405 posted on 05/03/2008 5:52:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD

Sure.

They are recruiting from the disaffected Protestants in North America and they are recruiting from the savages in Africa and in Southeast Asia, as are we. But, as in the 7th Century, the militant recruiting appears to be outstripping us.

The Reformed on the other hand, appear to be fading.


406 posted on 05/03/2008 5:53:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
We freely give what we have assembled to the surly, the unrepentent, and the ungrateful. And we accept the spitting and the plucking of our beards by the wrathful and the jealous.

I find it interesting that only two groups determine their "innocence" by their religious affiliation rather than by their actions: Evangelicals and Moslems.

407 posted on 05/03/2008 5:54:27 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: MarkBsnr
The Catholic church is losing members all over the world, by the grace of God.

The PCUSA is losing members to the more conservative, growing Presbyterian churches like the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, the Presbyterian Church of America, the Bible Presbyterian Church and the Reformed Presbyterian Church, any one of which preaches more truth in one Sunday than Rome does in a century.

408 posted on 05/03/2008 5:55:41 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski
Want to know what a Catholic believes?

A link to your catechism.

It's easy to see why the missionaries we support in Latin America are succeeding.

409 posted on 05/03/2008 5:56:24 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights
It's easy to see why the missionaries we support in Latin America are succeeding.

Dumbing down the Gospel tends to make it more attractive.

Did you imagine this was a popularity contest?

410 posted on 05/03/2008 5:58:11 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You very clearly are saying here that "Bibliolatry" is believing "the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible"

You, very clearly, edited his post to twist it's meaning...

411 posted on 05/03/2008 5:58:13 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; swmobuffalo; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; OLD REGGIE
[ The Church is not a government. It is the Church of Jesus Christ. If Luther was a prisoner, how does that separate him from other who weren’t? ]

The word church in the NT means "called out ones".. not synagogue,.. even though it(church) has become a synagogue.. And in many places a synagogue of Satan.. (Rev).. The Body of Christ is one thing....... being called out of the Sheep pens is quite another(John ch 10).. The Bride of Christ is another metaphorical refinement those in the sheep pens are clueless about..

412 posted on 05/03/2008 5:58:24 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***Ah, so it was just sarcasm.

You very clearly are saying here that “Bibliolatry” is believing “the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible” (and I guess this also means that Bibliolatry is also believing the “Catholics suppressed the Bible,” which of course they have many many times.)

Let’s clarify: Do you now amend your statement under the excuse it was just “sarcasm” and do you believe the Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures?***

If this is an example of the honesty of your church, it is probably a good thing that it is dying out.

Catholics never suppressed the Bible. If you would trot out an example, it may help to examine it. The Bible was written and assembled under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, but it was still written and assembled by men - the men of the Church and not the men of the OPC or any other such cult invented by other non inspired men.

God wrote the 10 commandments on the stone for Moses; men wrote the Bible. If this is difficult for you to understand, then perhaps we can discuss it further.


413 posted on 05/03/2008 5:58:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The Catholic Church is losing members all over the world, by the grace of God.

You're beginning to stink of hate again.

414 posted on 05/03/2008 5:59:17 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***The Catholic church is losing members all over the world, by the grace of God. ***

Snicker.

***The PCUSA is losing members to the more conservative, growing Presbyterian churches like the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, the Presbyterian Church of America, the Bible Presbyterian Church and the Reformed Presbyterian Church***

One cult losing members to other cults and the whole numbers decreasing as the members die out and they don’t even replace themselves with children. In another 100 years, Presbyterianism will have the same numbers and be about as relevant as the Shakers.


415 posted on 05/03/2008 6:04:06 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Your post in this thread:

Saturday, May 03, 2008 6:00:48 PM · 288 of 383

Dr. Eckleburg to MarkBsnr

Then you ought to really consider the words of the WCF I do. Every word based on Scripture.

and whether you consider Pope Benedict XVI to be the antiChrist. Well, do you?

You've asked this twice now. Perhaps you think I'm afraid to answer it or something. Nope. My answer is that Ratzinger isn't doing much to dispel the notion

This is where you say that you don't consider Pope Benedict XVI to be the antiChrist.

One of us must be blind. Where in the above sentences do I say I don't believe the words of the WCF?

Is it my use of the word "nope?"

"Nope," you'll note, is in answer to my rhetorical question: "Perhaps you think I'm afraid to answer it or something."

To which I responded "nope."

As anyone who can read can see, I have not in any way questioned the WCF or denied it or said I don't believe it.

Yeesh. But this does serve to prove my earlier point -- you prefer to deflect rather than debate.

416 posted on 05/03/2008 6:04:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RobbyS
If the Holy Spirit can speak to us from the pages of a book, why not in the form of bread and wine?

The fact that God can do something does not imply that He did that thing.

According to Scripture, worshiping the Eucharist is idolatry and a complete misunderstanding of the Lord's Supper and Christ's perfect, one-time, accomplished sacrifice on the cross for all the sins of His flock.

417 posted on 05/03/2008 6:07:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Okay, enough obfuscating.

Do you believe that Pope Benedict XVI is the antiChrist?


418 posted on 05/03/2008 6:07:54 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: RobbyS
If the Holy Spirit can speak to us from the pages of a book, why not in the form of bread and wine?

The fact that God can do something does not imply that He did that thing.

According to Scripture, worshiping the Eucharist is idolatry and a complete misunderstanding of the Lord's Supper and Christ's perfect, one-time, accomplished sacrifice on the cross for all the sins of His flock.

419 posted on 05/03/2008 6:09:19 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***According to Scripture, worshiping the Eucharist is idolatry and a complete misunderstanding of the Lord’s Supper and Christ’s perfect, one-time, accomplished sacrifice on the cross for all the sins of His flock.***

We already know that you disregard His command to eat His body and drink His blood. You’ve stated it repeatedly.

Which other of His commands do you in your perfect elected selected state also ignore?


420 posted on 05/03/2008 6:09:55 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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