Posted on 05/02/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
“Which man founded the Catholic Church?”
Men and it evolved over time. Nowhere in the New Testament is there scripture for the bloated bureaucracy that is the Catholic Church.
OK...So we won't call it Sola Scripture...We'll call it God's words only...And there it is in black and white...
“For the moment, let’s leave Luther, Cauvin and Zwingli out of it.”
You brought them up, I didn’t.
The RCC adds burdens on people, claiming they are from God. That’s what Proverbs is warning against, not merely adding the Bible itself. This is what Paul warned against in Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
You be so right. Sometimes I forget with whom I am attempting to reason.
Absolutely not.
No, you brought them up when you said “men’s ideas about what Christ said.”
“Funny that you didn’t mention Christ when you put together your list for getting into heaven. I would think that would be the sole thing on a “list.”
Why would I have to mention Jesus? He founded the Church. What other reason would there be for it.
I live Jesus Christ. He lives in me.
BTW, I don’t presume to say who gets into heaven or is consigned to hell.
That is God’s judgment and God’s alone.
Indeed!
Very entertaining, thank you.
Add not to God's words does not mean God's words only???
Did you go to the same school as Bill Clinton???
“Incorrect. It was the Holy Spirit that closed the canon of Scripture. The Church only acknowledge what God had already done. To declare the Church to have CLOSED the canon is to declare that MEN told God to shut up.”
No, correct. The Catholic Church would naturally say that the Holy Spirit spoke through man in closing Gospels, as well. But it would also say that it did so as God’s chosen Church on earth through Peter. I would ask if you’re going to subscribe to the idea of sola scripture why you accept the canon as is on a completely non-scriptural basis. Or why you accepted that it was the Holy Spirit who closed said scripture without a scriptural basis.
I suppose you could argue that in unveiling His plan to man, God would have things move smoothly, but that’s not exactly the pattern of the Old Testament.
Futher, it is the Catholic Church that keeps and places a large empahsis on the ongoing account of the revelation of God to man on earth through time—not the Protestant faiths. Who has told God to shut up? Or rather, who has wholly internalized His message as opposed to elevating it as an example perpetuated through time (not as scripture, mind you)?
“If you think that Sola Scriptura is a validation of the Catholic Church, then you have absolutely NO idea what Sola Scripture is.”
No, you fail to deal with the reality that it was the doctrines of the Church, starting with the Council of Nicea, that ultimately closed scripture. By acknowleging their work as holding authority, you validate the work of the Catholic Church. The fact that the Holy Spirit moved these councils to act in this way has little bearing on the weight of the argument at all. If anything, the general acceptance by society at large validates work done through the Church. That doesn’t mean God doesn’t work through individuals by any means, but the official decrees of the leaders in Church council finalized matters as far as Christian society was concerned.
” If you wish to complain that no scripture is being written, then complain to the Catholics. You are the one who stated they closed them.”
I made no such comments regarding scripture and would not.
Because we have discovered this supposedly "safe ground of revealed truth is actually the barren ground of private interpretation.
My own thought on the matter is that a return to the First Century church would be a good idea ~ if only to meet up with the Campbellites.
Still, nothing this guy wrote dealt at all with the major challenge to the old church (aka Catholic) and the newer church (aka Protestant), and that's the even newer church (aka Pentecostal).
It's pretty obvious those guys have been selected to provide the next large army of Christian martyrs as they take on Islam. It's like God is simply ignoring the offerings of the "feel good" branches of Christianity.
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