Why so many LDS threads?

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

You remind me of something I can’t think of. You don’t know when to let go.

I’m not “coming after” you, unless responding to your opinions is “coming after” you.

You don’t have to defend anything to me, because I am not God, and therefore, I am not your judge.

You will never see the day when I am “enraged” at anti-Mormon rhetoric. Rage, anger, jealousy, and anything of their ilk are wasted emotions. Your opinons aren’t worth my anger.

Once again, your opinion is wrong: I AM laughing, and I will continue to laugh at your attempts to get a rise out of me. Better men than you have tried with just as little success.

As far as I’m concerned, we’re Friends. You keep moving the pig in between us, so I’ll just keep laughing until such time as you see the futility of trying to figure me out.

Good luck with THAT!

Mormonism apologists denigrate the Bible (not denounce it, since they quote from it all the time, in pieces and when they can twist a verse or portion of a verse to suit their peculiar beliefs).

And you and yours don't interpret the Bible to match your beliefs? Bwahahaha!

This is precisely why we need a second witness, one is too easy to misinterpret. I understand the frustration you have that since you only have the Bible it's difficult to actually know what it's testifying of, the Bible itself says "Cor 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." and you have only one witness, the Bible.

Several mormons are currently denigrating the Bible by making claims that it is 'incomplete', 'not translated correctly', been 'edited such that many precious things are missing', 'in need of editing to include works now considered by Orthodox Christianity to be apocrypha and/or gnostic heresies'

Have you heard of The Johannine Comma?
Which Bible is it that's complete, the Catholic, or the Protestant one?

Why isn't the book of Enoch (quoted by in all the Gospels and by Jesus himself in the Bible? (it's in the dead sea scrolls as part of the scriptures)

Why are there so many different Bibles, new ones being added seemingly every day? (Somebody thinks they need a new version interpreted their way...)

So is it denigration to point out the truth? (anti's keep claiming that is all they are doing, you can't have it both ways...)

--as if God is so weak as to be unable to have our Bible to include what God wants for us to reference in this age.

What an interesting collection of straw men:

Mormons don't say that God is weak.
God never promised a Bible in the Bible.
God never promised the Bible would be inviolate.
Mormons believe God tells us whatever he wants to, today.

God did Tell of a coming falling away... 2 Thes. 2: 1-3

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Satan did something quite similar with Eve in the Garden ... by casting doubt upon God's Word, Satan inveigled a way to persuade Eve to disobey that same Word.

Yep, Satan is a bad guy, if I just say Mormons are like Satan, that makes them BAAAAAAAAAD! (LOL!)

With mormonism, Satan inveigles doubt 'gaps' into which the fraud of the 'Book of Mormon' and the 'Pearl of Great Price' and 'The LDS Doctrines and Covenants' are tossed to lead an awakening soul astray into mormonism and away from the Grace of God in Christ, substituting 'all that you can do to become worthy of salvation', eventually.

With Mormonism, God battles the lies of Satan, pointing out the deceptions of the adversary which tie a soul to "dead faith only beliefs" which are not of the Bible in fact, the opposite is clearly taught by the Bible in James 2 : 14 - 26, in fact, Mormonism Clearly follows the Bible's admonition in First John 4:1-3

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Thus, we Mormons invite all to Get a free Book of Mormon read it and compare it with the Bible and see if they are Both the same spirit (i.e. the spirit of God), further, we invite all who read to pray, and ask God to testify to the of the truth of the Bible and of Jesus Christs divinity, thus putting First John 4:1-3 to work in determining if the Book of Mormon is of God or not. The anti Mormons what to they typically do when faced with this?

Try to explain why the Book of Mormon can't be true.
Impugn the name of dead men in an attempt to make Mormons look weird.
Testify that they didn't receive an answer.
Lie about our doctrine
Misquote our leaders
Tell people that Satan will answer their prayers.
Try to tell people we and the FLDS are the same church (we're not in case anyone wondered).
anything but encourage people to pray about the Book of Mormon.

What does this show us? (pick one choice)

Anti's place Logic above revelation.
Anti's will say bad things about someone when they aren't around to defend themselves.
Anti's believe they can receive revelation for you (even when they tell you revelation has ceased)
Anti's think Lurkers are stupid.
Anti's think Lurkers won't read the responses, and Can't use Google.
Anti's don't believe God answers prayers to him.
Anti's think Catholics and protestants are the same church (hey, it's the same logic splits in religion = same religion...)
Anti's don't think Lurkers can get a prayer right
all of the above
none of the above

Perhaps Grig would like to grab his hose now? Bwahahaha Na, I think you're hosed enough, don't bother Grig.

Actually, if nobody posted a large section of the same information more than once, it might actually advance the conversation.

There is a point that a posting goes from being informative to being simply annoying. Annoying never accomplishes it’s purpose, unless the purpose is to annoy, aggragate, and turn people off from your argument.

And your claim is to want to persuade, not alienate.
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Charles, Charles, Charles...

Line upon line...

Precept upon precept...

Elsie is not annoying to me...

(Show of hands)

Looks like the majority want Elsie to continue...

2 Samuel 12

7 ¶ And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

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Resty, in verse 8, Nathan said that God HAD blessed David and that He would have given him more...

That verse and passage is not a commandment to wait for anything...

David had already received all those blessings..

David was not punished for not “waiting on the Lord”

There was nothing to “wait” for...

David was punished for stealing another man’s wife, (adultery) and for killing Uriah to cover up his sin when Bathsheba got pregnant..

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I know what he was punished for having Uriah killed in battle and taking Beersheba.

What was ment by waiting on the Lord had David waited on the Lord’s reply, the Lord would have told him NO can do!

Also the point was the Lord did sanction Plural marriage but David had no right taking it upon himself.

You denigrate the Bible with your lengthy self-serving post (even tossing in a bit of mormonism proselytizing for effect), and then try to dismiss the asseertion that mormonism apologist at FR denigrate the BIble? Bwahahaha, your meds need adjusting.

So what did I say about the Bible that was not true? Let me re-list my off the top of my head points:

Have you heard of The Johannine Comma?

Which Bible is it that's complete, the Catholic, or the Protestant one?

Why isn't the book of Enoch (quoted by in all the Gospels and by Jesus himself in the Bible? (it's in the dead sea scrolls as part of the scriptures)

Why are there so many different Bibles, new ones being added seemingly every day? (Somebody thinks they need a new version interpreted their way...)

So is it denigration to point out the truth? (anti's keep claiming that is all they are doing, you can't have it both ways...)

The more you protest without actually addressing the substance, the more often this will be posted in response to your bald assertions that I am denigrating the Bible which just isn't true.

Please address the Johannine Comma first, this should be good.

What was ment by waiting on the Lord had David waited on the Lord’s reply, the Lord would have told him NO can do!
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David never asked God anything...

In fact David was goofing off at home during a time when other kings were out fighting battles...

And it came to pass, after the year was expired, at the time when kings go forth [to battle], that David sent Joab, and his servants with him, and all Israel; and they destroyed the children of Ammon, and besieged Rabbah. But David tarried still at Jerusalem. 2Samuel 11:1

David was not in God’s perfect will at the time and saw Bathsheba naked in her backyard because she thought there was nobody about...

2Sa 11:2 And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king’s house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman [was] very beautiful to look upon.

2Sa 11:3 And David sent and enquired after the woman. And [one] said, [Is] not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?

2Sa 11:4 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house.

David didnt bother to ask God whether or not he should commit adultery...

Actually David already knew not to do that so why would he ask God if he could ???

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