SELF-GOVERNMENT - MYSTERIES... ADAM, OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD

Journal of Discourses ^ | APRIL 9, 1852 | Mormon Prophet Brigham Young

[Elsie]

Was it theologically challenging?

It appears quite similar to cable's Paint Drying channel.

[P-Marlowe]

Brigham Young - now there was a great man! He is a very prominent man in U.S. history. A Prophet of God. He was bold. He didn’t want the U.S. federal government shoving him and the saints around. He was our kinda guy.

A Prophet of God?

I take it you must have really enjoyed this Sermon by this "Prophet of God".

Did you like the part about Adam being your Father and your God?

It seems to me that Brigham Young would have claimed to be a "Prophet of Adam". Wouldn't that be a more apropos description?

[Elsie]

Thousands of people are looking at this right now and most of them are scratching their heads wondering if it's worth reading the entire thing.

That has happened a LOT!!

[P-Marlowe]

It appears quite similar to cable's Paint Drying channel.

Now Elsie, if it wasn't for that sermon, I might still be a Mormon.

Show some respect. :-)

[Elsie]

This guy was a Prophet, you know. <>P>NOt according to today's Modern Mormons!

They dismiss most EVERYTHING that he ever said!

[Elsie]

Right after I first read this sermon (when I was a Senior in High School), I was suddenly no longer a Mormon.

Right there is yer problem!

We don't have TIME today to actually READ and understand something.

Now; if you can find a HANDSOME action to portray BY giving this 'sermon', and then post it to YouTube®, THEN, perhaps, we might look at it and have an opinion.

--MormonDude(Thoroughly Modern Mormon)

[Elsie]

And this is based upon what?

What?

WHAT???

You mean you really have to ASK???

Why; the Actual Voice of GOD spoke these things to BY's mind and spirit and he was MOVED to deliver this TRUTH to the Brethren!

--MormonDude(I believe EVERY bit of it!)

[Elsie]

I guess you'll just have to take him at his word.

[Elsie]

And as a general rule, I think the mods frown on posting pictures of people in their underwear in the religion forum.

But at other times, the pictures stay:

[Elsie]

The Adam God theory debunked:

THEORY???

The very WORDS from an ex-Living Prophet®s mouth is THEORY??

[Elsie]

The posts are an attack on any Mormons that may be on this site.

Yup; old MORMON sermons sure do NOT play in Peoria these days!

[P-Marlowe]

They dismiss most EVERYTHING that he ever said!

But they still consider him a "Prophet".

Just because they dismiss most everything he ever said does not mean they cannot believe he was a Prophet of God, or in this case a Prophet of Adam.

Be Nice Elsie.

For some people, a sermon by Brigham Young is Hallowed Ground.

[Elsie]

The posts are an attack on any Mormons that may be on this site.

(Looks like SOMEone could have attended BYU...

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Professor Robert Millet teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/

 

 

Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Elsie]

 

If you posted about early popes who were very controversial, such as these, then yes, it would be an attack on Catholics.

 

 

No need to go THAT far....

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THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY

CHAPTER 14

 

An angel tells Nephi of the blessings and cursings to fall upon the Gentiles—There are only two churches: the Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil—The saints of God in all nations are persecuted by the great and abominable church—The apostle John shall write concerning the end of the world. Between 600 and 592 B.C. 

 

   1 And it shall come to pass, that if the Gentiles shall hearken unto the Lamb of God in that day that he shall manifest himself unto them in word, and also in power, in very deed, unto the taking away of their stumbling blocks—
  2 And harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God, they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be numbered among the house of Israel; and they shall be a blessed people upon the promised land forever; they shall be no more brought down into captivity; and the house of Israel shall no more be confounded.
  3 And that great pit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that hell which hath no end.
  4 For behold, this is according to the captivity of the devil, and also according to the justice of God, upon all those who will work wickedness and abomination before him.
  5 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, Nephi, saying: Thou hast beheld that if the Gentiles repent it shall be well with them; and thou also knowest concerning the covenants of the Lord unto the house of Israel; and thou also hast heard that whoso repented not must perish.
  6 Therefore, woe be unto the Gentiles if it so be that they harden their hearts against the Lamb of God.
  7 For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken.
  8 And it came to pass that when the angel had spoken these words, he said unto me: Rememberest thou the covenants of the Father unto the house of Israel? I said unto him, Yea.
  9 And it came to pass that he said unto me: Look, and behold that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the devil.
  10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
  11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over ball the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.
  12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon ball the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.
  13 And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth, among all the nations of the Gentiles, to fight against the Lamb of God.
  14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory.
  15 And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth.
  16 And as there began to be wars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things—
  17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.
  18 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!
  19 And I looked and beheld a man, and he was dressed in a white robe.
  20 And the angel said unto me: Behold one of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
  21 Behold, he shall see and write the remainder of these things; yea, and also many things which have been.
  22 And he shall also write concerning the end of the world.
  23 Wherefore, the things which he shall write are just and true; and behold they are written in the book which thou beheld proceeding out of the mouth of the Jew; and at the time they proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, or, at the time the book proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, the things which were written were plain and pure, and most precious and easy to the understanding of all men.
  24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see.
  25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them.
  26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel.
  27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was john, according to the word of the angel.
  28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw.
  29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my father saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me.
  30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was carried away in the spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are true. And thus it is. Amen.

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The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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[Elsie]

I would much rather hear how this sermon affected you when it changed your life.

We've seen your comments about this sermon in this thread.

It appears that it has affected you a lot.

[Elsie]

Another thing about this group is it appears that P-marllow is the leader of the former members of LDS.

And there is a leader of the others who were NEVER caught up in this mass deception.

[Elsie]

look ma, no caps.

Another LIE from a vile exer!

Do you think you could slip that CAPITAL "P" by us and NOT get called out??

Why do you hate us so; you GENTILE bigot!

--MormonDude(... there's NOTHING worse than an EX-Mormon!)

[Elsie]

You did not post it, so you might want to read up on how the Lord corrected the mistake.

You seem ALWAYS to be able to REFERENCE something that WE should read, but, somwhow, you never have time to actually POST it in the thread.

[P-Marlowe]

Do you think you could slip that CAPITAL "P" by us and NOT get called out??

That was simply the kind of clerical error that the Mormons claim the scribes who transcribed this sermon made. Did you notice the words in Caps in the sermon?

Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken-He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do.

Surely those were mere typos.