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The logical inconsistency of this is striking. On the one hand, you say that your 2.1 degree solar lag theory is only true if there is no moon, while on the other hand the Sun is off by 2.1 degrees during a solar eclipse anyway. It is evident, then, that it matters not one whit to you whether Your willful ignorance is striking. I am almost stunned at your seeming inability to understand that because of the distances involved it takes light a little over 8.3 minutes to reach your eyes from the sun and it takes light a little over a second to reach your eyes from the moon.

I know that you think light is instantaneous. That is the only explanation for your thinking that the sun, moon and stars are exactly where you see them. It also explains why you believe in the creation myth and the Bible. I am sorry but I can't cure your ignorance if you are unwilling to learn.

We have always freely granted that the sun appears displaced by about 20 arcseconds due to stellar aberration. But when you talk about 2.1 degrees - when we say "It appears exactly where it is" we are talking about your 2.1 degrees (which is some over 7 thousand arcseconds - not 20 ). The accusations you make are most dishonest.

I'm stunned that you think that Jupiter is optically lagged about 60 degrees from where it really is. I know you believe that if a stationary star were 12 light-hours away, it would appear in the night sky when it was on the other side of the world. But I guess this helps me understand why you believe that "All from nothing" myth.

-Jesse

You are lying. I never said that the 2.1 degree solar lag theory is only true if there is no moon.

We have always freely granted that the sun appears displaced by about 20 arcseconds due to stellar aberration. But when you talk about 2.1 degrees - when we say "It appears exactly where it is" we are talking about your 2.1 degrees (which is some over 7 thousand arcseconds - not 20 ). The accusations you make are most dishonest.

The 20 arc seconds you are talking about is the displacement of the suns masses orbit around the barycenter. It is not due to stellar aberration. You don't even seem to understand your own sources.

I'm stunned that you think that Jupiter is optically lagged about 60 degrees from where it really is.

I know that you are incapable of understanding grade school subject material but I can't help that either.

So lets sum you up. You are a liar. You don't know the difference between points of reference. You can't understand grade school material and you are incapable of understanding your own references. I can go on but this is boring.