What Is Life/Non-life in Nature?

self | June 23, 2008 | Vanity

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you oh so very much for all of your kind words and encouragements!

[hosepipe]

[ To: AG; "Your distinction between “Adamic” men and “non-Adamic” men is unorthodox and extrabiblical." ]

Because you reject being "born again" does not make that true.. Is being "born again" a metaphor of something or an actual 3D event.. or does it make a difference which one..

Some men are a little too conserned with "DNA" than with the spirit.. Flesh dies, the spirit may not die.. The/this conversation hinges on the flesh and the spirit.. and the conversational door swings open or shut accordingly..

[YHAOS]

”It’s funny you chose to compare with Moslems and not Jews.”

I refer you back to your original quote (msg 448) that kicked off what became primarily a discussion with js:“Then we are screwed and the Muslims are just as likely to be right as the Jews and Christians.”

You lumped Jews and Christians together, an association not surprising to me (you know, Judeo-Christian? A common phrase for obvious reasons) Nonetheless, it was your categorization and your terms. Now, you find it “funny”? You explain it.

js chose to focus on Christians, to the exclusion of Jews. I even tried to pull him back to include Jews, but he would have none of it. His obsession is with Christians and their "perfidy." Let him explain it.

[Alamo-Girl]

When it comes to God, the majority view is most likely quite wrong:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. - Matthew 7:13-14

And consensus among mortals often results in doctrines and traditions of men which are of no good effect:

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. - Mark 7:7

The vital "teacher" is God Himself:

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. - I John 2:27

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. – Romans 8:1

The language of the Spirit is not like the language of men and nothing less will do:

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. - I Corinthians 2:6-16

To God be the glory!

[ahayes]

That is certainly true but if that is the reason for the anti-Christianity sentiment I have observed, then obviously the debate is neither intellectual nor academic but rather, it is about earthy power.

Why not all? It's definitely necessary to pay attention when a powerful group is lobbying to pass laws to require you to live by their standards. This does not mean you can't have an intellectual and academic disagreement with their position.

And you might have noticed that "insult" is rather built-into theological debate because it seems every time a new belief springs from another one, both sides insult each other as matter of doctrine.

Absolutely. That was one of the things that really started to bother me while I was still a Christian. At one board the Calvinism/Arminianism debate forum had to be shut down because each side claimed moral authority and then mercilessly bludgeoned the other with it.

Discussions about religion are fundamentally inclined towards "holier-than-thou" arguments, since they tend to involve morality. In an argument about a scientific topic, a person can be mistaken or even ignorant (a situation that can be rectified), but in an argument about religion a person is more likely to be called wrong or morally debased (not so easy to fix). I couldn't count the number of times I've seen the "God, thank you that I am not like other men" speech in one guise or another.

[Alamo-Girl]

The/this conversation hinges on the flesh and the spirit.. and the conversational door swings open or shut accordingly..

Precisely so. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

[hosepipe]

[ To AG: "The trouble is that you are discerning meanings to these words that have not been detected by the majority of Christians at the present time and through the past." ]

You seem to fallen into a polluted pool.. AG's musings are quite orthodox, to far away, the majority of christians I know and have known, have read, and consulted.. A few cults differ from her musings.. as far as I know those musings..

Swimming out of the latrine you've stumbled into, and batheing might clean you up right up..

[ahayes]

Swimming out of the latrine you've stumbled into, and batheing might clean you up right up..

Goodness, I bet you're glad you are not like other men.

[ahayes]

When it comes to God, the majority view is most likely quite wrong:

Dangerous ground. You don't consider it prideful to think that you alone know the Truth, and all other Christians are mistaken and probably not Christian anyway?

[ahayes]

born again =/= AG’s Adamic/non-Adamic distinction

[Alamo-Girl]

This does not mean you can't have an intellectual and academic disagreement with their position.

This is precisely what betty boop and I have been trying to achieve for such a very long time.

But instead of debating a subject intellectually and academically, most of our correspondents these days either scurry away, argue against their own self-made strawmen, redirect the discussion to some cherry-picked word or phrase - or else throw spitwads.

All of which are back-handed compliments, by the way. But we'd rather have a robust intellectual and academic debate on the issues actually raised. That is the point behind the excellent essay which betty boop wrote to begin this thread!

[ahayes]

Not sure what the point of this post is. Obviously my and your interpretation of past discussions between yourself and others is going to vary, however, your post was written to me about our current discussion. If you’re accusing me of any of these tactics, please let me know, otherwise this isn’t really relevant.

[hosepipe]

[ Goodness, I bet you're glad you are not like other men. ]

True.... I used to be a primate before I was Born Again..
I used to be a church monkey before the lord called me out (John ch 10)..

[ahayes]

Bad news: You’re still a primate. :-(

[hosepipe]

[ born again =/= AG’s Adamic/non-Adamic distinction ]

Then you have no idea of what being born again is..
There is only one way a human being can even be Non Adamic..
Not two but one..

It all started when Jesus came to make ALL religion on this planet OBSOLETE..
He said; "You MUST be born again"..

What that is, is not "A" question it is "THE" question..

[hosepipe]

[ Bad news: You’re still a primate. :-( ]

You're probably WRONG about other things also..

[Alamo-Girl]

You don't consider it prideful to think that you alone know the Truth, and all other Christians are mistaken and probably not Christian anyway?

Again, another strawman. I never made any such claim.

For the umpteenth time I offer this metaphor:

The words of God are like a seven faceted diamond.

Christians look at the diamond facing it from different aspects and therefore see things a bit differently.

But it is the same diamond and the same Light.

God is Light. Without the Light, there is nothing to be seen.

Any Christian will do fine as long as he stays in the Light.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. - I John 1:5-7

We were not made with a cookie cookie. Peter was not like John who was not like Paul who was not like doubting Thomas - but Christ chose every single, individual, one of them.

God's living Creation is a riot of color - a beautiful masterpiece. He doesn't mix all the colors into one on His palette.

To God be the glory!

[Alamo-Girl]

oops. "cookie cookie" s/b "cookie cutter"

[MHGinTN]

You ought to be rejoicing now! ... Your effort to insult Alamo_Girl on this forum indicates that God’s Spirit is whispering to your spirit and you’re feeling a form of guilt that you project onto others, speciously, but nevertheless an indicator. Don’t reject His whispers into your spirit, your eternal fate is in the balance while being whispered to; you don’t know at what point God will give you over to the bitterness which follows consistent rejection of His mercy in Christ Jesus. Here’s your sentence, the proof of your spiritual hearing but choosing to deny and choosing to take the whispering as insult to your ego: “And I see you have the “obliquely insult others” Religion Forum shtick down pat.”

[MHGinTN]

Okay, here's an example of a spurious tactic: "You don't consider it prideful to think that you alone know the Truth ..." Even you can realize that AG has not claimed that she alone knows the Turth. The harder you kick against His whispering, the deeper will be the bitterness if you continue to reject Him. Of such bitterness is Hell made, my FRiend.