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To: thefrankbaum
You must do things to enter Heaven.

If you believe this, you are truly lost. What is required for you to enter Heaven Jesus didn't already do? Absolutely nothing!

Do you not believe in a Lord strong enough to keep you when he promised he would, or are you relying on your good works to keep you? How many good works do you have to do to enter the kind of Heaven you believe requires of you? Are some of your works more worthy than others? If the faith of a mustered seed is enough, don't you think God has already prepared a place for you without you having to tidy it up? Do you see my point yet?

Faith or belief rather, does not "save" anyone. God's grace does. Without grace salvation is dead. No more is required for anyone to obtain salvation other than placing their faith on Yeshua.

Your works, earn you crowns which you're going to give right back to God because you will realize your works are meaningless compared to what HE did for you. They are not for salvation. Faith, Works, Salvation, Grace are all seperate issues with seperate consequences.

God loves us both because God loves us, not because we do anything. Our outward appereance shows others the love of Christ in us, but it has absolutely nothing to do with our inherited relationship bestowed upon us by God...

If it did I know some people alot better than I who should be going straight to heaven without any belief in God!

31 posted on 07/08/2008 11:37:12 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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To: sirchtruth
I'm lost only in following your train of thought.

Faith, Works, Salvation, Grace are all seperate issues with seperate consequences.

What on Earth are you talking about? Salvation is separate from Grace? Grace is separate from Faith and Works? Read the Scripture: "Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."

We obtain Salvation through the Grace of God. We cannot earn Grace. Grace is a gift to us through Christ. We accept that gift through Faith and Works. It is really just that simple.

32 posted on 07/08/2008 11:48:39 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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