Posted on 07/28/2008 4:07:43 AM PDT by Gamecock
An interesting read....
Should have pinged you....
Thanks. Good read indeed. It’s a keeper.
I don’t really know how to keep everyone pinged on the stuff I post. Is there a specific mechanism for it?
I don't know of any specifically aimed at this topic, so I just ping the folks who seem to be interested in such over the past few days.
Not according to Jesus Christ, who instructed his apostles that the Pharisees - the champions of the oral law tradition of the Torah - were, despite their personal failings, authoritative teachers who sat "in the seat of Moses."
The champions of sola Scriptura in ancient Judaism were the Sadducees, who rejected the Prophets and the Writings as "apocrypha" and for whose authority Jesus had nothing kind to say.
The author seems to be quite ignorant of the theological world in which Jesus lived and is oblivious to Paul's full assessment of tradition and of ecclesiastical authority, giving a one-sided and carefully expurgated version of Scripture.
The seat of Moses? Try reading the verse in context.
Matt 23:1-12: “Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, v.2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. "Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. "For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. "But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. "They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, "greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.' "But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. "But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. "And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Not exactly praise for those teaching tradition. But it does sound like the Catholic Church...
That is Jesus' own command to His apostles.
The context erases nothing from the command.
Not exactly praise for those teaching tradition
His intent was not to praise the teachers, but to point out that they were authoritative teachers despite their less than exemplary behavior.
But it does sound like the Catholic Church...
And here bigotry overcomes the last feeble traces of acumen in your makeup.
The champions of sola Scriptura in ancient Judaism were the Sadducees, who rejected the Prophets and the Writings as "apocrypha" and for whose authority Jesus had nothing kind to say.
Irving's Law is sort-of-invoked - not sure how it applies since wideawake is taking the Pharisees' side, though!
I'm not taking the Pharisees' side.
I'm pointing out that Jesus accepted the Pharisees' authority as authentic while criticizing their behavior, yet He rejected the Sadduccees teaching as outright heretical.
Then why didn't Jesus (and later the apostles) submit to the Pharisees' authority?
Most of MacArthur’s “smears” against the RCC could have come from a book written by an RC that was given to me: Karl Adams’ “The Roots of the Reformation”. A review is in the works.
Jesus did not because, as he explained to the Apostles, the Pharisees sat "in Moses seat."
Jesus has more authority than Moses, by definition, and therefore could never be subject to the Pharisees' authority however legitimate.
The chief of the Apostles was subsequently given the keys to the kingdom of heaven by Jesus Himself as His appointed steward, an act which placed the Apostles above the Pharisees in authority.
Finally, Jesus removed the remaining vestiges of the authority of the Pharisees for all time when He rent the veil of the Temple at His crucifixion.
Looks like a good one.
Thx.
Indeed, and not too surprising given what we read here on FR. Thanks for the ping.
BTTT
Yet another supposedly “Catholic” thread posted from a non-Catholic source and laden with errors.
From the church where Mac teaches:
“My question is, can a Catholic priest actually be saved and remain a Catholic Priest?
John MacArthur’s Answer
Not if he believes the Catholic system. If he doesn’t, if he doesn’t accept their baggage. If he believes his salvation is provided only through grace by faith in Jesus Christ, he could be saved. But, if he accepts the full sweep of Catholic dogma, there’s no way. He has cluttered up the simplicity of salvation with a works/righteousness system. “
An interesting revelation here. Catholics cannot attain salvation. In light of the recent “Does Anti Catholicism Exist?”, and the intensive search for a FR Catholic that consigned a Protestant to hell. Here we have a Calvinist Protestant making no doubt about it. Hmm enlightening lol.
...the link http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/1301-X-13.htm
***Catholics cannot attain salvation.***
Your words, not Mac’s.
From Macarthur’s words:
“But, if he accepts the full sweep of Catholic dogma, there’s no way.”
See the context above, he is speaking in regard salvation.
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