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Buffy the Vampire Slayer slaying church attendance among women, study claims [Ecumenical]
Telegraph ^ | August 23, 2008 | Martin Beckford

Posted on 08/25/2008 10:36:39 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Religion Moderator
This is an “ecumenical” thread in the Religion Forum. Antagonism is not allowed.

I wasn't meaning to be antagonistic. I really wonder if/how much effort we should spend on people who turn to a religion because of a fantasy television show. It seems on the level of Star Wars fans listing their religion as "Jedi".

41 posted on 08/25/2008 1:27:10 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: netmilsmom
Your first point is definitely something to be careful about within the church. Our own people need to take a step back from these addicting shows and realize that not just the characters, but the whole situation is fantasy, and has no more bearing in reality than the writers want it to.

Now for those already lost, let them mature and they will see things differently. If you try to hit them now, in their little sex filled Wiccan world, they will rebel even further. (I know this for fact with my own niece, now back to Christianity)

This is exactly where I was going with the remark. Maybe we as Christians need to let some of these people grow up a little before engaging them. To accept religion from a fantasy tv show places their worldview so low as to be completely unexamined. People in the western world so rarely have their false beliefs challenged by reality that they live in a world dreamt up by movie and television writers. We saw what happened when 9/11 shook their worldview--they turned to churches in droves. The problem is that many didn't let that sink in.

Maybe it's time to stop all fictional/fantasy intake for Christians (I would probably include reality shows in that). Maybe going as far as not owning a television (or at least not owning one that receives a signal). That way, if someone got into the church for a short time, they would at least not immediately be taken back by a daily dose of fantasy.

42 posted on 08/25/2008 1:39:39 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: allmendream
Buffy almost always wore what religious symbol around her neck?
When Buffy died where did she go...until she was brought back?
A Vampire recoils when confronted with what religious symbol?
The evil that Buffy confronted in the form of a nexus of evil under her city was a portal to where?
(answers for those of you in Rio Linda: Buffy wore a cross. Buffy went to heaven when she died. A Vampire recoils from a cross. Buffy fought against creatures that came over across a portal from Hell.)


Buffy was a fun show for the first couple of years, pretty much up until they jumped the shark with the lesbian/witchcraft thing. The religious aspect to the show was used nominally at best. For instance, crosses and holy water did hurt vampires, so you would figure that Buffy and her gang would become extremely Christian, having the advantage of witnessing the power firsthand. But you would be wrong. Instead, in the few instances where any real religion might be presented, it was treated more or less as the stuff of crackpots.

To answer your questions: Buffy wore a cross, but never once said the name "Jesus Christ", nor did any other character (although I admit I did not watch the last 2 or 3 seasons because they sucked, so I might have missed it). When Buffy died she said she thought she was in heaven. The fact that any confusion remained as to where she was means that the concept of heaven was stripped of God. The big bad guys at the end of the show did come from hell, but all the demons came from hell, presumably, and yet not all demons were presented as bad. There were friendly, helpful demons, which means that the show promoted demons from hell as just like anyone else, some good, some bad.
43 posted on 08/25/2008 2:26:36 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: allmendream

No, my FRiend. I’m telling you that it is not real. It is fantasy, not real life. The characters are real people playing parts.

No one, absolutely no one, should base life decisions because they saw it on a tv.

Really, you do know that this is not real, right?


44 posted on 08/25/2008 3:57:31 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: allmendream

And btw, if you want to engage in a conversation, namecalling should be kept to a minimum. Anti-Capitalist is an insult.

That is when you are speaking to real people. Tv characters, may be different.


45 posted on 08/25/2008 4:01:38 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: Citizen Blade

>>It’s a harmless religion for chubby bi-sexual chicks who want to hang out naked in the woods. <<

Some of those “harmless” Wiccans nearly burned down my house when my niece crossed them.

Right.


46 posted on 08/25/2008 4:03:35 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: netmilsmom
I asked if you were, I didn't say you were.

I am glad you consider it an insult to be anti-capitalist, but your post seemed rife with the notion that anything that made a profit couldn't have any other ennobling aspect.

47 posted on 08/25/2008 4:20:29 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: NYer

**Wasn’t women’s ordination intended to solve this problem?!**

LOL! Jesting again, I see!


48 posted on 08/25/2008 4:23:46 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

This is typical. Note that the issue is women not attending church. Sort of like the big “problem” of girls not succeeding in math 10-15 years ago.

So what about men not attending church? Go into a mainline Protestant church and take a look around you. What you’ll see more often than not are all the women. Men and children are as rare as hensteeth. What you’re looking at is a church that will disappear in a generation. If not sooner. But note that the concern here is not the nonexistent men and children, but the women who might be leaving.


49 posted on 08/25/2008 4:55:09 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7
It is hard finding a good church these days. All of them are full of hypocrites so I quit going.

Glad to see that you reduced the number of hypocrites going to church by one.

50 posted on 08/25/2008 4:56:56 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
It is hard finding a good church these days. All of them are full of hypocrites so I quit going.
Glad to see that you reduced the number of hypocrites going to church by one.

Ouch!

51 posted on 08/25/2008 4:58:34 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: netmilsmom
Wicca is a made up religion that morphs into whatever the person wants.

Kinda like a whole lot of liberal churches today.

People who follow Wicca don’t like rules and therefore LOVE Wicca (I have some in my family) I have a niece who joined Wicca because of Xena Warrior princess. I kid you not.

Does your niece vote RAT?

52 posted on 08/25/2008 5:05:27 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: dan1123
Should we as Christians, even attempt to reach these people? Or is it just not worth the effort?

Of course. Christ died for them, too. They just have to realize it, know they are sinners and need a savior.

53 posted on 08/25/2008 5:09:37 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: dfwgator

She’s fine. She hunts with a bow and kills elk and deer.


54 posted on 08/25/2008 5:16:20 PM PDT by webrover
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To: allmendream

Credit should go where credit is due: Joss Whedon wrote all that and then went on to do ‘Firefly’, an anti-socialist-establishment sci-fi series prominently featuring a Christian pastor (”I’m pretty good with a hammer. AFter all, my boss is a carpenter.”). I don’t know if Joss is a practicing Christian, but he does manage to get Christian themes and truths inserted into his series.


55 posted on 08/25/2008 5:18:13 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (what part of 'mias gunaikos andra' do Episcopalians not understand?)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

>>Does your niece vote RAT? <<

You just knew it, didn’t you?
It kind of goes without saying.


56 posted on 08/25/2008 5:35:20 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: allmendream

You didn’t read my first post, did you?

Who even talked about making a profit? I was telling you that “Buffy” didn’t do a thing. The actress was directed by a script, by a director to do things that real people do not do.

She is make believe, not real at all. Neither are vampires. That is what I’m saying. How you got anti-capitalism from that is beyond me, but then again you saw Christian themes in a show about vampires, so what can I say.

And another poster corrected you anyway about that.


57 posted on 08/25/2008 5:40:09 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: netmilsmom
Wow. I could have never figured out that Buffy wasn't real if you hadn't pointed it out.

Now how exactly is that the central issue of wither or not its intent or execution was pro-pagan?

And yes, I did see Christian themes in a story of a young woman who wore a cross and fought evil from Hell, went to Heaven and came back. A story of a vampire who attempts to redeem the soul given to him and attain salvation. It also included a story of a homosexual Jewish girl who uses her gift for witchcraft to fight evil (should she use a cross?), and the “Buffy-verse” is a sort of hodge podge of wishy washy Universal Unitarian nonsense (no offense to any Universal Unitarians).

58 posted on 08/25/2008 5:52:07 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: BelegStrongbow
First off, love the name! Ive read the Simarillion twice.

Second. Firefly is an anti-socialits-establishment western/sci fi series; and an AMAZING piece of entertainment and storytelling while portraying a deep and simple philosophy of good and self reliance and loyalty.

Reverend Book is a FABULOUS character and a very good representation of a Christian pastor, one of the few on TV in recent memory.

59 posted on 08/25/2008 5:56:54 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: netmilsmom; NYer
Had heard of this, and to be honest it is why you need to be careful of what you take in.

TV, radio, movies, books, all form an impression in your mind. Fill it full of Buffy, and you might just start identifying with witches.

60 posted on 08/25/2008 5:59:32 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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