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To: magisterium; Antioch
[Pelosi] needs prayers, but, for the present, and for her own spiritual medicine as well as that of countless of her "followers," she needs to be "shown the door" and bounced-out of the Church...And the Kennedy-Kerry-Biden wing along with her!

That will be the day! We have yet to see the Church have enough courage to publicly deny communion to any of these.

Otherwise, the Catechism is not worth the paper it's written on and the Church is no different then the Anglican Communion, where anything goes.

It is clear that the Church is not ready for a confrontation; rather she's "appealing" to these people to "avoid communion" on their own! How likely is that going to be?!?

As long as Pelosi and others like her can publicly disagree with the Vatican without any repercussions, the message to all Catholics is: believe and do whatever you feel is right; the Church will not censure you.

Sooner or later, empty threats and warnings become a laughing matter. If the Church is not ready to stand by her own teachings, how can she expect the faithful to stand by them?!?

I'm waiting...

50 posted on 08/26/2008 4:58:22 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
"That will be the day"? Well, you might be right, based on previous track records. But things are starting to change, I think. Even Archbishop Wuerl of Washington gave Pelosi a rebuke for her comments. It is becoming clear to at least some of the bishops that skirting the issue of Catholic politicians and their ability to take Communion with impunity despite pro-abortion voting records is spiralling out of their control. Perhaps Benedict put a buzz in their ears, too. I don't know.

But it seems to me that the Dems at their convention yesterday were right about one thing: "we are at a crossroads" in this country. It will not be much longer that the Christian voice will even be heard in this country on moral issues, let alone acted upon. The secularists are gaining overall, despite what we might wish or think. It's true. I think some in the Church leadership can see the trends, and will no longer cozy-up to liberal Democrats to further certain aspects of their social agenda that are not reprehensible in themselves (even if usually ill-advised), when abortion, euthanasia, infanticide and human cloning are all advocated by leftist Democrats. They're beginning to wake up, and they're seeing that this "alliance of convenience" with the Left is gaining them nothing, it is making more and more rank-and-file Catholics get more jaundiced about Church leadership and overal relevancy, and the footdragging merely serves to help the Church spiral more and more out of even a generalized influence.

Now that Archbishop Burke is on his way to Rome, I think you will see the Vatican start lighting more fires under the American bishops who keep dragging their feet with respect to disciplining "Catholic" politicians who keep falling off the fence on the wrong side. I could be wrong, sure, but I really think things will start improving. If (God forbid!) Obama is president, and there is a serious Dem majority in both houses of Congress, the situation will quickly become so bad that any coddling of Democrats will be tantamount to apostasy. Few buishops want to be perceived in that way, and, in spite of their fuzzy-headedness, few of them, I trust, want God to perceive them that way!

55 posted on 08/26/2008 6:50:58 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: kosta50
I meant to add that the Orthodox are not all that lily-white on this issue, either. Paul Tsongas and Michael Dukakis, for starters, were not publicly challenged ny their bishops or the priests where they attended Liturgy. I'm sure there are more, but I am familiar with these two as part of my penance called “living in Massachusetts.”
57 posted on 08/26/2008 6:57:51 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: kosta50

As long as Pelosi and others like her can publicly disagree with the Vatican without any repercussions, the message to all Catholics is: believe and do whatever you feel is right; the Church will not censure you.

Totally right on. Here’s Pelosi’s view on priests refusing communion to pro-abort politicians:

“I think some of it is regional,” she said, “It depends on the bishop of a certain region, and, fortunately for me, communion has not been withheld and I’m a regular communicant, so that would be a severe blow to me if that were the case.”


68 posted on 08/26/2008 10:55:58 AM PDT by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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