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To: null and void

>For starters, he lost 1/3 of his staff, and angels don’t have free will in the sense that humans do.

Ah, now where are you getting that idea? The bible doesn’t say much on that subject one way or another. Also, if you look at the ten commandments (or the two greatest, as Jesus said) then there is so much more that we are allowed than we are not... and that’s speaking from a moral perspective and not an ability perspective.

>After Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (BTW, before that how were there supposed to know disobeying was evil?) God had to ask “Adam, where are you?”
>Hello? TWO people on earth, and he can’t keep track of them????

And you’ve never seen parents who know exactly what their kid has done ask about it? Or when he’s hiding ask “where are you?”

>And that whole Job thing, how can an omnipotent being gamble?

Where did He gamble? Satan says, “C’mon God! Of course Job loves you, You’ve given him the good life. If you were to crush all of his belongings he’d curse you!”
God says, “Ok, then you can take all his things away, but don’t touch him!”

In one sense it is a gamble, but if God created the universe, then He created time, and if He created time, then He exists outside of time. So, now, is the same to God as the beginning of time, is the same as the end of time, is the same as when Jesus was dying on the cross... in at least some sense. Of course, that He wants and can have a relationship with you or I requires experience, that is time, on some level.

What if it’s like when I write something, go and do something, and look back later and say to myself “Yeah, I remember that!”?

I think the problem with your understanding is that you think of God as both too small/weak and impersonal; my God is neither.


79 posted on 10/20/2008 2:53:33 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
The Bible doesn’t say much on that subject one way or another.

True. The level of free will of the various classes of entities in the Bible isn't explicitly called out, but we know that when given a direct order, angels seem to have little choice but to comply.

He created time, and if He created time, then He exists outside of time.

Perhaps, but more than one person has 'been hoist by his own petard'. I wouldn't say that it necessarily follows that the creator of a system can't fall victim to the implications of his creation.

I think the problem with your understanding is that you think of God as both too small/weak and impersonal; my God is neither.

Not both, limited in the sense that He can't both create a rock too heavy for Him to lift, and lift any rock He can create. Impersonal only in the sense that He is impartial (or maybe He isn't, and He plays favorites)...

84 posted on 10/20/2008 5:19:09 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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