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Jefferson

Posted on 11/05/2008 11:12:52 AM PST by FRFirstTimer

I'm new to FR, and I've encountered some posts that I'm having a hard time understanding. I figured I'd go right to the source and try to get some clarification. The problem I'm having relates to those posters who are concerned that Obama is the anti-christ, which, if I'm understanding correctly, is an evil leader who ushers in the end of the world. I also understand that when the world is getting ready to end, evangelical Christians believe that the faithful among them will be sucked up into heaven by god to spend eternity by his side.

My question is this: everyone posting about Obama being the anti-christ seems very concerned about the idea, yet one would assume that if they literally believe that such a thing is possible, then they're fairly confident they'll be raptured up as soon as all the trouble starts. After all, no one picks a religion that has them losing in the end (except possibly Norse polytheism.) Why are you / they so worried about it? If you're going to be raptured, what's the issue? I'm not a fundamentalist Christian, so this seems sort of counter-intuitive to me. One would think anyone who believes in the rapture would be VERY excited for it, as they get to spend the rest of eternity in heaven.

Lastly, due to the...hostility...sometimes encountered here, let me clarify. I'm NOT trolling, I'm just curious. If I've somehow offended you, just ignore the post instead of getting butthurt in the comments. Finally, for the inevitable questions of my patriotism, I'm an Army paratrooper with two combat tours to Afghanistan, so before you mouth off about how I'm a bad American, go fight in Afghanistan for a few years. That said, don't ignore the topic, explain what I'm missing: if you're going to be raptured, why be concerned about the antichrist?


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; antichrist; obama; ozonesmell; rapture; sionnsar; soldier; troll; usarmy; zot
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1 posted on 11/05/2008 11:12:52 AM PST by FRFirstTimer
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To: FRFirstTimer

Your premise that anyone is “fairly confident” in the “rapture,” is where you’re tripping up here.


2 posted on 11/05/2008 11:15:51 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: FRFirstTimer
Why don't you find a post that actually says Obama is the anti-Christ and ask that poster?

I've yet to see what you're describing.

Owl_Eagle
”You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being”

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

3 posted on 11/05/2008 11:16:06 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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Welcome to FreeRepublic. You sure look like a kitty pile to me...
IBTZ!


4 posted on 11/05/2008 11:16:26 AM PST by WVKayaker ("There are no facts, only interpretations." -Nietze)
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To: FRFirstTimer

Not every Christian believes in a pre-trib rapture. Plus as a Christian I fret for the friends and loved ones who have not made a decision for Christ who have to deal with the Anti-christ as well.


5 posted on 11/05/2008 11:16:49 AM PST by mancini
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You’re joking right?


6 posted on 11/05/2008 11:17:06 AM PST by Unkosified (What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: FRFirstTimer

Welcome to FR. You’d need to read scripture to know the signs and order of events. Without that understanding, I can see why you might erroneously come to the conclusion you’ve come to.


7 posted on 11/05/2008 11:17:06 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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Well now, worrying about facing the anti-christ depends on if you’re a pretribber, midtribber or post-tribber.


8 posted on 11/05/2008 11:17:10 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: FRFirstTimer

I’ve not seen that posted here. Why don’t you provide a link or ask that poster directly?


9 posted on 11/05/2008 11:17:13 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: FRFirstTimer

What you have posted is called a “Vanity” post. They are frowned upon at Free Republic. My recommendation to you is to read the board for two weeks to get the feel of it before posting.


10 posted on 11/05/2008 11:17:22 AM PST by Pete
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To: FRFirstTimer

Another question...

If rich liberal democrats want higher taxes, why don’t they pay higher rates themselves without a new law forcing them to do it?


11 posted on 11/05/2008 11:17:22 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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I NEVER CALLED HIM THE ANTI-CHRIST.

oops sorry I hit caps lock...bad fingers.

Obama is going to weaken our defenses, he is going to cripple our economy with his tax and spending plans, and I fear the future under him.

Look at the stock market dropping....businesses know what he is going to do to them....

12 posted on 11/05/2008 11:17:58 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. - Abraham Lincoln)
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Yeah. This is viking kitty food. :-)


13 posted on 11/05/2008 11:18:11 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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14 posted on 11/05/2008 11:18:20 AM PST by WVKayaker ("There are no facts, only interpretations." -Nietze)
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You must be very excited to be about to experience the Rapture of the ZOT.


15 posted on 11/05/2008 11:18:36 AM PST by counterpunch (It's the SOCIALISM, Stupid!)
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To: FRFirstTimer

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzot


16 posted on 11/05/2008 11:19:04 AM PST by grellis
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I do not believe Obama is the antichrist, but I do believe God has a plan for the world, I do believe there will be a rapture of the Church, but of course no man knows the hour or the day. I said from the start that if Obama won, that i felt he may be part of end time prophecy—but not the anticgrist, however there will be a deciever that comes first to set the way for the antichrist, must admit Obama is a good liar and deceiver. Will be interesting to see if Israel will be protected by Obama. God made a covenant with Israel to always protect her. We have been a great friend to Israel and our Nation has been blessed by God, we will have to see what happens. With that said, the Bible is super prophetic and things have come to pass that fulfils bible prophecy...but there is more to come, is Obama part of it? Re,ains to be seen, and what he does in office will be an indicator. Watch the middle east and what Obama does.


17 posted on 11/05/2008 11:19:33 AM PST by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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"Why are you / they so worried about it? If you're going to be raptured, what's the issue?"

I'm not an Evangelical Christian or a very religious person, but I guess I would ask the question: "If a Muslim terrorist is going to be rewarded with 72 Virgins for blowing himself up and taking a multitude of innocent people with him, what's the issue?

18 posted on 11/05/2008 11:19:38 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Ya know, I’ve always wondered that too. Maybe you should post a vanity over at DU and see if one of the DUmmies can answer that question. ;)


19 posted on 11/05/2008 11:19:42 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: FRFirstTimer

Obama is not the Anti-Christ.
Satan can do better than that.
Welcome to FR.
And by the way, goodbye.
IBTZ


20 posted on 11/05/2008 11:20:05 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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