Posted on 11/06/2008 6:36:40 AM PST by Alex Murphy
I was disgusted at Mass last Sunday that there was not a word in the homily regarding the election. We got a quick mumbled petition about "voting with an informed conscience" and that's it. That said, I honestly do think that the FOCA is going to propel the Church to act on the apostates in the ranks. I do believe public excommunications will happen.
We had a banner posted across the entrance to our Church announcing this but I did not hear any Homily about pro-life. I need to speak with the Monsignor and Bishop.
Same here although I do not wish anyone to be excommunicated. God wills not the death of any sinner but they are given free will to accept or not.
Largely because of it. The Catholic Church has been very supportive of socialist schemes, including unions that are given huge power by government. And of course, Catholics who marry early, don't use contraceptives (or abortion), and have lots of children tend to be heavy users of the socialist schemes, having rendered themselves unable to support their families without government/taxpayer handouts. I don't think you'll find a lot of "believing Catholics" voting against the various universal health care proposals. "Free health insurance from the government for my 7 kids? Awesome, of course I'll vote for the candidate promising that!"
What’s wrong with Catholic voters? What’s wrong with Catholics?
They choose to SIN(as do many others who also call themselves “Christian”). ;-(
I don’t “wish” it either, but excommunication is something they choose with their actions already, not something imposed on them by the Church.
Because they support the socialist programs and non-eneforcement of immigration laws that the Church approves of.
George W. Bush has been staunch in his pro-life support. He banned federal tax dollars being used for embryonic stem cell research. He tried hard to save Terri Schiavo along with other politicians though that turned out tragic. He has always spoken on the sanctity of life. More so than any Catholic politician I can think of.
Even the Catholic church acts as a sanctuary for these illegals, and the Catholic church here in the U.S. has taken a weak stance on abortion.
Those are two reasons why I'm a non-practicing Catholic.
You make a good point. I had a discussion with younger family members who were on the fence about voting for McCain or Obama. Their response to my pro-life argument was that abortion would be legal in four years regardless of whether Obama or McCain was president. My argument about possibly moving the Supreme Court to the right with a McCain win fell on deaf ears.
They have a point. The Republican party has had ending abortion as a plank in it’s platform for decades, yet it’s no closer to being outlawed than it ever was. I think that’s part of the reason why the pro-life argument doesn’t resonate anymore with a lot of people, especially young people. They see lotsa talk before every election, but little action afterwards.
Agreed, they excommunicate themselves.
I've been to this rodeo before. I used to be a < shudder > Episcopalian, and I saw where celebrity-worship and political expediency on the part of the leadership takes a church.
The Catholics are the best group (because the best organized) to spearhead a Christian revival. If the weak-kneed American bishops will just retire and/or get out of the way so that BXVI and his new appointments can kick posterior and take names (in the nicest way of course) then we can get started.
We gotta remember that, and also to pray for them.
” He banned federal tax dollars being used for embryonic stem cell research.”
Where do people get this idea? GW was the first president to authorize federal funds for embryonic stem cell research. There was no federal funding before him (Clinton allowed embryonic research but stipulated no federal funds).
Because there was no economic advantage to embryonic research there was very little of it. Bush’s action opened the flood gates of embryonic research. What you fund, you get more of.
If people don’t accept the real Presence, they are not Catholics, and should quit identifying themselves as such.
The Church needs to spend more effort on instruction in the heterodox Catechism and purge itself of priests whose enthusiasms are for social or political causes rather than the Faith.
Too smart by half; “heterodox” should be “orthodox”.
Even though many would vote against abortion backers, they diminish the issue in favor of helping out the poor.
History hasn't been taught in this country for a long, long time, clearly.
Reason: Too many Catholic churches and too many Catholic schools worship Marxist “social justice” instead of God.
So?...When a Marxist presidential candidate comes along is it any wonder that 45% of Mass attending Catholics think he is God?
The Church’s stance on abortion is less weak than it is muddled by the Bernardinites in power positions. I want to puke every time I hear capital punishment mentioned with abortion and euthanasia.
I doubt if many of the Catholics that voted for Obama ever go to confession. I know lots of good Catholics, who do go to Mass every Sunday and are pro-life who do not believe that you must go to Confession at least once a year. They tell me I’m wrong that you only need to go if you have committed a mortal sin.
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