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Church removes 'scary crucifix' [Ecumenical]
BBC ^ | January 7, 2009

Posted on 01/08/2009 11:46:31 AM PST by NYer

A large sculpture of Christ on the cross has been removed from outside a church in West Sussex after its vicar said it was "scaring young children".

The Reverend Ewen Souter said the 10ft crucifix was "a horrifying depiction of pain and suffering" which was also "putting people off".

The sculpture, located at the side of St John's Church in Broadbridge Heath, has now been given to Horsham Museum. It will be replaced with a new stainless steel cross. In a survey carried out by the church, every comment about the sculpture was negative.

'Sense of hope'

Mr Souter said: "Children have commented on how scary they find it and how off-putting they find it as a symbol outside the church.

"As a key exterior symbol for us it was putting people off rather than having a sense of hope and life and the power of the resurrection."

He said rather than undermining the work of the cross, the church wanted to portray "an accurate biblical picture of the crucifixion as a moment of hopefulness for the world, and not one of despair".

The sculpture was designed in the 1960s by former Royal Society of British Sculptors president, Edward Bainbridge Copnall, and made out of coal dust and resin.

It was removed from the church just before Christmas and will be mounted on a large wall in the grounds of Horsham Museum.

Jeremy Knight, curator, said the powerful image portrayed by the figure was that of Christ in pain.

"That today isn't an image which a lot of churches want to follow. They'd much rather see an empty cross where Christ has risen," he said.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: cross; crucifix; uk
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The 1960s sculpture of Christ is made of coal dust and resin
1 posted on 01/08/2009 11:46:31 AM PST by NYer
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Ugly ... perhaps; scary ... absolutely not! Humbling would be a more apt description. It was our sins He bore.


2 posted on 01/08/2009 11:48:20 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

We’re given up on the Catholic Church. We went to xmas mass and all these people were there, but the church is new and soulless. i told hubby half way thru “were done here. new years resolution is find a new church”

we’re tyring the small lutheran church in town. it will crush the families, but this catholic church is just all wrong.

but then again, i remember midnight mass in latin and i loved it as a kid!


3 posted on 01/08/2009 11:49:35 AM PST by cetarist
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Didn't the British government approve sharia law? If these people think the statue is scary, how will they handle the real thing?

Column One: The 'realist' fantasy -

On Tuesday, Hamas legislators marked the Christmas season by passing a Shari'a criminal code for the Palestinian Authority. Among other things, it legalizes crucifixion.

4 posted on 01/08/2009 11:51:11 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: cetarist
but then again, i remember midnight mass in latin and i loved it as a kid!

Do you still love it? There are still places that offer it, and with the added benefit of not leaving the Catholic Church.

Latin Mass Directory

5 posted on 01/08/2009 11:54:07 AM PST by Pyro7480 (This Papist asks everyone to continue to pray the Rosary for our country!)
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To: cetarist

Try the SSPX Latin masses.


6 posted on 01/08/2009 11:55:13 AM PST by fishtank (RINOs: Stuck inside of the GOP like spackle or paste. (We need a cleansing.))
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To: cetarist
We went to xmas mass and all these people were there, but the church is new and soulless. i told hubby half way thru “were done here. new years resolution is find a new church”

We worship God, not a church. Over the years, I have visited some Catholic Churches that were at both ends of the spectrum from ultra flamboyant to blank walled but NEVER did it ever cross my mind to leave the Catholic Church. I looked around, visited other Catholic Churches and eventually found a wonderful Maronite (Eastern) Catholic Church.

Why would you want to leave the Catholic Church over a building?

7 posted on 01/08/2009 11:58:51 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
If the Silly Vicar had removed it on the grounds of it being Bad Art, I would be with him 100 percent.

The piece is classic 60s junk art, with the random distortions of the human figure that went along with that. Badly executed, badly designed.

But he went in the wrong direction entirely. Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is stupid and theologically unsound, in this case.

He should replace it with a carved or cast crucifix with a more conventional depiction.

Now, if you want to see truly SCARY, then take a look at the Isenheim Altarpiece:

Grünewald painted it for a leper hospital in Germany. I have seen it in person, and it will drive you to your knees.

In compensation, an outer wing includes a most beautiful and original conception of the Resurrection:


8 posted on 01/08/2009 11:59:34 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: cetarist
I know what you mean. The church that we attend now is the same that my wife and I attended as teenagers but (after a long absence) isnt quite the same.

The buildings themselves grew - no big deal. The minister (now senior minister) is still there - which is a very big deal for us. (Otherwise I probably wouldnt have gone back there to begin with.) But the service itself is different - the biggest noticable difference being the "contemporarization" of traditional hymns and the large amount of contemporary (modern) Christian music as compared to our younger days.
My wife and I enjoy the "traditional" aspects of the old service as we believe that helped bond the generations together in our former services.

9 posted on 01/08/2009 12:01:50 PM PST by Villiany_Inc (We're having a baby !! Corporate sponsers wanted. Naming rights available.)
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To: NYer

Well, it is ugly. We have a spectral, floating “resurrected Jesus” from the same time that is also very ugly and a little creepy looking. It was a bad period for religious art.

Get a new crucifix, perhaps, but don’t replace it with one of those neutral, symbolic things Protestants have used for years.


10 posted on 01/08/2009 12:02:20 PM PST by livius
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To: cetarist
Why would you leave the Church over one parish and one building?

We left the Episcopal Church not because our church building was modern (it was, and it was ugly, but we put up with it for 28 years) but because the denomination fell into rank heresy. We LOVE our Catholic parish. But we had to visit around to find the one in which we felt most at home.

If you love the Latin Mass, find a Motu Proprio parish. They are starting up almost everywhere (my daughter found one in Charlotte NC). I wouldn't recommend SSPX because they come with all sorts of other baggage . . . .

11 posted on 01/08/2009 12:02:52 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: NYer

Our sins, indeed. The scandal of the crucifixion is too much for the modern Church of England to bear. (Sadly, many Catholic Churches have minimized the crucifix as well.) Of course, many so-called Anglicans also deny the Resurrection. Talk about wasting a “teachable” moment.


12 posted on 01/08/2009 12:05:28 PM PST by Faraday
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To: Villiany_Inc
The editorial changes to the hymns drive me WILD!

But our choirmaster says (and I really do agree) that we have to throw the old hippies an occasional bone, and the hymns are the least offensive place to do it. Our motets and anthems are 100% straight up traditional - even when modern in date they are traditional in form - and we do lots of Gregorian chant and we chant the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin on First Sundays.

We will gradually phase out the tacky hymns and hope the hippies can get used to it.

Catholic music is a problem in many parishes, and has been since the wholesale jettisoning of tradition after VCII. But the good stuff is making a comeback. As I noted above, you have to shop around a little.

13 posted on 01/08/2009 12:07:23 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: livius
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of the Matthias Grünewald Resurrection?

It's floating and it's spectral, but it's early 16th century and, I think, very effective. Especially when contrasted with the horrific Crucifixion.

14 posted on 01/08/2009 12:12:38 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: Pyro7480

thank you! i think our kids are interested, because they know grandparents and great-grandparents (when they were alive) talking of the latin mass.

the link is wonderful. there is one an hour away but it may be worth the drive!


15 posted on 01/08/2009 12:13:19 PM PST by cetarist
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To: cetarist

Find a LCMS or Wisconsin Synod Lutheran church. ELCA churches are very liberal.


16 posted on 01/08/2009 12:15:33 PM PST by Augustinian monk ("Can't we try bombing them with kindness?")
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To: AnAmericanMother
Truly extraordinary! That is art. Not long ago, someone posted a graphic of a crucifix with Crisht showing all of his wounds. Quite graphic!
17 posted on 01/08/2009 12:16:26 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: cetarist

I’m glad I could help. :-)


18 posted on 01/08/2009 12:18:35 PM PST by Pyro7480 (This Papist asks everyone to continue to pray the Rosary for our country!)
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To: NYer

There was a movie out awhile back, where the church decided to get rid of the crucifix because of the same reason, it was too depressing. My mom told me that was so stupidand that no church would ever do that.


19 posted on 01/08/2009 12:20:05 PM PST by chae (I am karmic retribution)
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To: cetarist

Isn’t there another Catholic Church nearby that you could try before throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Or have you tried talking to the bishop about the church you were attending?


20 posted on 01/08/2009 12:24:49 PM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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