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To: topcat54
There is nothing in the Bible about them being “played out again”. Literal ancient Babylon was long gone by the time the NT was written. Everyone knew that. And so we can find no verse in the NT that speaks of a resurrected, future literal Babylon. It only exists in the futurist fantasy interpretation.

Paul explicitly says that what happen to them for examples: are written for our warning, upon whom the ends of the age are come. Paul knew that maybe he is just a futurist fantasy writer to you as well. I remember reading what Jeremiah told that King of Judah, and what that King of Judah did with the writings of Jeremiah and what then happened to him and his sons.

There is no “king of Babylon” because there is no Babylon. If you want to spiritualize all the prophecies, that’s fine by me, but you might want to think about the implications.

Right, well old Saddam has joined his fathers, but he sure did not get that message as he all but rebuilt old Babylon brick by brick. Course he could not get the Germans to return that Ishtar gate they have housed in some museum in Berlin, as well as somebody to reconfigure the hanging gardens. But physically speaking old Babylon was rebuilt.

And apparently you are unaware of what traditions of old Babylon that got brought out when the second temple was built and like leavening got added into some batches of mix of Christianity even to this day.

Now Christ even quotes Daniel in Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

What verse from Daniel is Jesus quoting in Mark 13?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael (isn't he Michael spiritual? So maybe this won't apply to your interpretations) stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy People: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at the time thy People shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.'

You know just reading Daniel 10, 11, and 12 there is no point in having this discussion. Obviously based upon your claims this is all old news, and the book is sealed to you anyway.

133 posted on 01/12/2009 6:53:12 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Paul explicitly says that what happen to them for examples:

Babylon? Where do you get that from? I think you are misinterpreting Paul’s intent.

Right, well old Saddam has joined his fathers, but he sure did not get that message as he all but rebuilt old Babylon brick by brick.

If you think Saddam was mentioned in the Bible, then you are sadly mistaken. Saddam got what was due to him by God’s providence, just as many tyrants have for centuries. Again, you are misappropriating the Bible without any warrant.

“What verse from Daniel is Jesus quoting in Mark 13?”

Daniel 12:1

Actually, there is similar language found throughout the OT, so there is no evidence that Jesus had Daniel 12 in mind. It’s called hyperbolic language and it is common in the Bible. It’s a figure of speech.

Just check out these verses:

“Then there shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as was not like it before, nor shall be like it again” (Exodus 11 :6). {Plagues of Egypt}

“And I will do among you what I have never done, and the like of which I will never do again, because of all your abominations” (Eze. 5:9). (Judgment via the Babylonian Captivity)

“And He has confirmed His words, which He spoke against us and against our judges who judged us, by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such never has been done as what has been done to Jerusalem” (Dan. 9:12). {Same event}

You know just reading Daniel 10, 11, and 12 there is no point in having this discussion. Obviously based upon your claims this is all old news, and the book is sealed to you anyway.

No, actually was only sealed until the time foretold, which was the coming of Messiah. There was much Jewish history between the time Daniel was given his vision until the coming of Messiah … history which is often ignored by the futurists. A lot of folks twist the words today to make them future, but they are not for the most part.

It’s very easy to look at current events and find things in the Bible that seem to fit, especially to the untrained. It’s much harder to do sound exegesis of the text and come to interpretations that fit with all we know from the Bible.

137 posted on 01/12/2009 7:18:21 AM PST by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
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