Posted on 02/16/2009 1:09:50 PM PST by TaraP
There are many people who come to this forum from many different religious backgrounds and denominations who can read the same Scripture and somehow come away with completely different conclusions about that Scripture.
If it makes you feel good to make cheap insinuations, go right ahead. It will not change my mind about what I see in Scripture about the last hours of this age, or the promise of Christ to keep those who have accepted Him as Savior out of the wrath that God will send on this world, or any other judgments I have made, based on study and the contributions of some outstanding Biblical and prophecy scholars, about what prophetic Scripture portends for the end of this age.
I will not get dragged into arguments with people who hold a diametrically opposite view of these portions of Scripture, a view that is irreconcilable with my own. Like I have said, it is a waste of time and produces nothing and will not change my mind.
People can believe as they see fit, as their hearts and intellects direct them, and we all will see for ourselves what will happen - and, rest assured, something is going to happen and very soon.
In the meantime, it's generally a good idea to try to refrain from veiled name-calling, as it only reflects badly on you.
I just do find it curious that many rapture theorists seem oblivious to far more serious issues. Many of you need to set aside your "prophecy resources", and get into some sound catechesis.
I must of misunderstood your points then, my fault.
What about the saints that are still alive at the Second Coming?
Will they be given glorified bodies?
Sorry, just trying to get a handle on your position.
JB
Scripture indicates that when Christ returns, all Israel will trust in Him (Zechariah 12:10). They, too, will not receive glorified bodies (as did those who were raptured prior to the tribulation and those resurrected afterward). They also will produce children during the millennial kingdom.
So, believing Gentiles, Israel, and resurrected/raptured believers (all of whom have glorified bodies) will occupy the Earth. It should be noted, however, that believers with glorified bodies will not be reproducing. There is no marriage after this life (Matthew 22:30).
So those that accepted Jesus as their personal savior and the remnant of Jews still alive who managed to survive the horrors of the Tribulation are still going to have to die someday?
I don’t see how this fits with Jesus’ victory over death in Isaiah 25:7-9?
JB
Hint: He is the color of cafe au lait, has big ears, skinny legs, a deceptive smile and something at his side that looks like an angry linebacker in drag.
They will still be living on earth and will have the same bodies suitable for living on earth as they always had. They will not have glorified bodies yet. Christ's victory over death did not mean that we would never die a physical death, it meant that we would have a chance at eternal life with Him and not have to suffer the "second death" or spiritual death, and eternal separation from Him.
These people who die as generations come and go during the millennium will be raised up, along with the unsaved dead, at the end of the thousand years and will face the Great White Throne Judgment.
There will be a Book of Life which will have all the names of the saved in it. These will include all the resurrected saints who served with Christ during the millennium as well as the "normal" people who become believers during that period.
We learned in verse 6 of Revelation 20 that the second death" would have "no power" upon the glorified saints who enter Christ's Kingdom to reign with Him. So, these can't possibly face any kind of potential condemnation at the GWTJ.
We see from Scripture that with God's plan, no person, in any stage of either history or the future, who accepts Christ as Savior suffers the second death, thereby making Isaiah 25:7-9 absolutely true and inerrant.
It says no such thing, literally speaking. And there is nothing that say Christ and resurrected saints will inhabit the earth during the "thousand years" with unconverted/pre-resurrection persons.
That is just totally wrong, this is the belief you have based on Christ’s return in 1 Thessalonians 4 is not the same as His return in Matthew 24 or Mark 13.
JB
That is just totally wrong, this is the belief you have based on Christ’s return in 1 Thessalonians 4 is not the same as His return in Matthew 24 or Mark 13. JB
Somewhere around here I have a chart, typing together a number of bible passages dealing with events of the return of Christ. Comparing scripture with scripture, it shows clearly that the events are concurrent. The resurrection of the just, and the unjust. "An hour is coming..." Judgment day. Cosmic renewal. All that.
Have you ever noticed? In the dispensational scheme, there are multiple judgment days strung out over a thousand (give or take) years, but in none of them is there any division. In any given judgment it's all sheep, or all goats, which is not at all what the Bible depicts.
Okay, I guess we disagree then.
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