But I see that 2012, and that war as possible coinciding. Russia and Iran have a strong alliance. Iran has the missles and possibly the nuke material. Ahmadinnerjacket wants to usher in the Mahdi and to wipe Israel from the face of the earth. According to Islam "prophecy" the Mahdi will be ushered in under a great war.
There are some similarities between the Bibles AC and Islams Mahdi.
In Gog/Magog the armies and possibly the countries of Gog-Russia and most Islamic nations-will be destroyed, BY GOD.
We know that the beginning of the trib is the peace deal between AC and Israel. My thought is the peace deal comes after Gog/Magog.
I also think that Israel needs to find vast oil reserves, and become a wealthy nation. My original comment about 2012 was just a thought that I have had, in using other than biblical "prophesy".
Another thought I've had is that Israel became a nation in 1948. Psalms 90 tells us that a man shall live (a generation) 3 score and 10, or even 4 score. So 70-80 years.
1948+70 years = 2018.
That would be if your holding to a generation being 70 years, and timelining it out. Now subtract 7 years for the tribulation, because if your a person who holds to the idea of a rapture, the rapture and second coming are different events.
Whether the trib starts as soon as April or June of this year or not until 2018, doesn't really matter. Time is running out for the harvest. The storm clouds are gathering.
World wide hatred for Israel is rising. The US is weakening, thereby taking our shadow of protection off of Israel. Allowing God to show HIS strength and protection of Israel.
Never before has the world been able to produce a 1 world money or banking system. We now have that ability. Kind of a coincidence that economic systems all over the world are collapsing, just so they can be "saved" by a centralized banking system.
Its interesting that the current financial plans that are to help us, will do nothing but drag us down further weakening us financially and politically.
With the world in financial, political and war chaos, a perfect time for a "savior" to appear.
The US had been doing pretty good, but still people CHOSE to follow Obama as if he were the Messiah, a savior fro mall our ills.
Imagine how people will be when the real player comes on the scene. People here have chosen to believe the Obama lie. I can only imagine people choosing to believe the AC lie.
"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
But I see that 2012, and that war as possible coinciding.
I do not find a need to correlate Jehovah's Prophets with pagan prophecy, and for that reason, I pay pagan prophecy little mind when applied to Jehovah's Word.
Pagan prophecy is useful, but only in predicting the path of the lie, which will fool most of the world. Lies always have a kernel of truth to lend them credence, but it is always and invariably skewed by the lie itself. Discerning truth from lies is nearly always a futile thing, and certainly so when dealing with something as specific as a date.
As an aside, This is why we must reject anything which attempts to add to the Holy Word, especially any which attempt to discredit the Old Covenant and the New Covenant in preference of something else- The Prophecy is interwoven throughout the Bible, and it is Jehovah's proof to us that He is indeed God Almighty. That He ALONE knows the beginning from the ending and He told us all these things would happen, even as they are.
There are some similarities between the Bibles AC and Islams Mahdi.
Not only are there similarities, Islamic prophecy is the direct antithesis of the Judeo-Christian Prophets. While time-lines coincide, at every turn, the Islamic prophecies proclaim the exact opposite of the Hebrew and Christian Prophecy. Read the Koran and assoc. Hadiths. It will curl your hair.
In Gog/Magog the armies and possibly the countries of Gog-Russia and most Islamic nations-will be destroyed, BY GOD.
This is true, but it depends somewhat upon interpretation. If the Battle of Magog is the same thing as the Battle against Edom, which one would suppose it is as Edom's progeny are inarguably interspersed with Ishmael's, those same Islamic countries which are decimated in the War of Magog, then one must also include the Edom prophecies in this tale.
And the linkage is there to a degree. In both cases, unlike Armageddon, the major battle takes place south of Jerusalem, in the valley of Jehoshaphat (AFAIR), which is the Jordan river valley running toward the Dead Sea.
There is much to say about Christ coming up from the south, His robes stained crimson... It says He takes Judah as His bow (odd, as Ephraim is always the Bow of Jehovah), and fills him with the arrows of Ephraim... and it says that the Spirit of the Lord would run before them in battle.
It speaks of captives of Judah and Ephraim, kept in a well with no water (the only other ref, Joseph betrayed by his brothers) miraculously released, and as the war suddenly turns, of Ephraim's people leaping for joy in the west, because they know it was the Lord.
So a profound and inexplicable victory, no doubt. Those who believe will see the Hand of the Lord, and KNOW that He saved the day. To those who don't believe, it will look like an incredible military victory against a seemingly overwhelming force.
What is a more salient and important point to me, is who and where is Ephraim? The House of Israel (as differed from the House of Judah) figures prominently in end times Prophecy, and that knowledge seems to be a critical piece that is missing. Knowing that can change the whole perspective.
I also think that Israel needs to find vast oil reserves, and become a wealthy nation.
If the War we are talking about leaves Israel with it's promised lands, it will indeed own oil as the eastern Iraqi fields would be part of that land.
1948+70 years = 2018.
Yes, I suppose, though it can be argued that the forming of Israel was not complete until Jerusalem was captured. Others await the Temple to officially begin the clock, feeling that the prophecy is not complete until Israel establishes God's Holy Mountain, as expected...
There is also some ambiguity as to a "generation". Forty years is also a Biblically referenced generation, as is sixty years. What is important is that the major sign has been accomplished. We may not understand it fully without the clarity of the next milepost. The measurements will work out, to be sure. We may not have enough information to calculate clearly at this time. That is the danger of assuming context in prophecy.
The US had been doing pretty good, but still people CHOSE to follow Obama as if he were the Messiah, a savior fro mall our ills.
I disagree completely. This election was about Republicans being unpalatable to Conservatives, not about any other thing. That both political parties are bent upon the destruction of our sovereignty, and have been for years, ties in neatly with your general theory though.
Imagine how people will be when the real player comes on the scene. People here have chosen to believe the Obama lie. I can only imagine people choosing to believe the AC lie.
Again, I don't see 0bama as being much at all, nor do I see people believing in him at all. There is alot of MSM pimping designed to make us believe it is so, but no one is in favor of what he is actually doing.
The AC will look a whole lot more "christian", IMHO, with sound economic policies, real work ethics, real prowess. Remember that he sits in Jehovah's House, claiming to be god.
Ah, futurist math. The only difference between it an real math is that it changes ever time one of these dates comes and goes.
“The most important sign in Matthew has to be the restoration of the Jews to the land in the rebirth of Israel. Even the figure of speech ‘fig tree´ has been a historic symbol of national Israel. When the Jewish people, after nearly 2,000 years of exile, under relentless persecution, became a nation again on 14 May 1948 the ‘fig tree´ put forth its first leaves. Jesus said that this would indicate that He was ‘at the door,´ ready to return. Then He said, ‘Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place´ (Matthew 24:34, NASB). What generation? Obviously, in context, the generation that would see the signs—chief among them the rebirth of Israel. A generation in the Bible is something like forty years. If this is a correct deduction, then within forty years or so of 1948, all these things could take place. Many scholars who have studied Bible prophecy all their lives believe that this is so.” (Hal Lindsey, 1970)"We're the generation that saw the fig tree bud forth, as Israel became a nation again in 1948. As a rule, a generation in the Bible lasts 40 years. ... Forty years after 1948 would bring us to 1988." (Chuck Smith, 1978)