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To: Iscool
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

The text is quite plain. Christ first (aka “the first resurrection”, that, we know is past), and those who are Christ’s at His coming (Second coming that is, not “rapture”), and then “the end” when the kingdom is delivered up to the Father. At this point all rule and authority has been put in subjection to the Son. “For He must reign” – in Paul’s mind this was a present, not future reality. Christ is reigning and subduing the nations (Rom. 15:11,12). That’s the point of the passage. Cf. Matt. 28:18ff, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth”.

Most futurists want to insert between 1000 and 1007 years somewhere into that passage, in spite of the fact that the apostle Paul knows of no such chronology. Now, you tell me whether that is the true reading of the passage, or a forced interpretation based on preconceived ideas of the millennium.

230 posted on 03/02/2009 7:26:17 AM PST by topcat54
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To: topcat54
The text is quite plain. Christ first (aka “the first resurrection”, that, we know is past),

and those who are Christ’s at His coming (Second coming that is, not “rapture”),

and then “the end” when the kingdom is delivered up to the Father.

in Paul’s mind this was a present, not future reality.

How could you possibly say that in view of the surrounding scripture??? The second coming of Jesus has NOT taken place...Paul KNEW the 2nd coming had not taken place...He certainly would have been preaching a different message had he believed that...

Paul would have been preachin that Jesus was here for the 2nd time and now we are waiting for the the Kingdom to be delivered up to the Father...And that is NOT what Paul is preaching...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Were all men made alive in Christ, at His 2nd coming in 70 A.D.??? Of course not...

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,

Paul is talking future...That's clear...

even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

At this point all rule and authority has been put in subjection to the Son. “For He must reign” –

Paul just disagreed with you...There is no 'at this point'...The END must first come...

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

SHALL BE...FUTURE...Paul did not believe nor teach the Kingdom had been delivered to God nor did he teach Jesus was reigning over the nations...

Paul says this happens after the END...

And the END hasn't happened yet...

232 posted on 03/02/2009 1:21:38 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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