No degree for creator of Mormon calendar

Houston Chronicle ^ | March 2, 2009

[delacoert]

Brigham Young University has denied an appeal to award a diploma that the creator of a Mormon beefcake calendar says he earned.

Chad Hardy's diploma was withheld by BYU last fall after he was excommunicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which owns and runs the school. Hardy was excommunicated during the month between completing his courses and graduation ceremonies.

Hardy appealed and met with Dean of Students Vernon L. Heperi on Feb. 13. In the meeting, Heperi sought to determine whether Hardy's life is guided by the school's honor code, which reflects the values of the Mormon church.

[Stourme]

html code-maker available

Thanks for providing the source to that... I was like, surely he didn't write all that html by hand, EEK!

[delacoert]

I was like, surely he didn't write all that html by hand, EEK!

:p

I have to admit I've done a little rediculous coding now and then. But not this time. LoL.

[Stourme]

Ascribing me motives? Now, Now, that is “making it personal”.

That hardly raises to the level of "making it personal" *chuckle*....*chuckle again*

Lighten up.

[delacoert]

Reaganaut harshly responded with

Yes, I could tell how upset he was by how fast he typed.      <rolleyes>

[Elsie]

Stourme politely asked:

Reaganaut harshly responded with:

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God does not teach one group one thing while at the same time teaching another group the opposite.

So very true!!

GOD will tell one group that Polygamy is an ETERNAL COVENANT and, just 47 years later, leads them to believe that THEY probably, if they knows whats good for them, abstain from that polygamy thing...

And, oh yeah, also tell any OTHER MORMON group NOT to use the name MORMON if they continue in that polygamy thing.

[Elsie]

Those who teach a FALSE Christ. Like the Mormons.

Are you SURE you're an EX??

You have answered the question that SHOULD HAVE been asked!

[Elsie]

After today; I may be early OR late an hour for a while...

[reaganaut]

Aww. you found me out... I’m not really an ex. I am just Gordon B. Hinkley’s “love child” (and a “regional representative”)

:)

[Stourme]

Reaganaut, what should we call this redherring of yours?

So, would you mind pointing out which side of modern “Christianity” is going to hell please?

Those who teach a FALSE Christ. Like the Mormons.


Should we name him Fred?

What is so hard about answering the question that I asked you????

Why can't you answer that question??

Evangelicals/modern religionists dance around this blatant hypocrisy in their own standards. This 800lb gorilla sitting on their bed which they ignore. It's insane. It's intellectually dishonest. It's corrupt....

Which group Reaganaut?? Which group is teaching false doctrine??

One group is teaching infant baptism..

One group is teaching against infant baptism..

Which group is teaching false doctrine??

Anyone that will boldly claim that all the Mormon's are on an express elevator to hell should have NO problem showing the strength of conviction to answer the question above.

Well?

[ejonesie22]

Amazing.

[reaganaut]

Neither group is going to hell. You see, baptism is a means of grace (a concept the LDS don’t understand).

The denominations that practice infant baptism (where the child is baptized so that they may grow in faith) have the rite of confirmation, which is a public declaration of faith.

For the groups that do not practice infant baptism (they have baby dedications where a child is blessed so that they may grow in faith). Then baptism becomes a public declaration of faith.

Very similar concepts. But I do not expect someone who is active LDS to understand. It is not hypocrisy, it is meat to someone who has only had SPOILED MILK.

Before we “major in the minors”, lets get back to who Christ is. Is he an exalted man, equal in spirit to the rest of us (spirit brother), who led a perfect life and was therefore given exaltation early. Oh yeah, and God’s biological child.

Or is He a unique creation, the Son of God, who was sinless because He is God. This Christ died on Cross for the sins of mankind, all sins not just a few. Even your sins.

You have been told the truth, not just by me, but by others. Yet you reject it, in favor of your religiousity, much like the Pharasees during Christ’s life.

THAT rejection, my FRiend, is a one way ticket to Hell.

[Religion Moderator]

Reaganaut harshly responded

The statement was expressing the poster's opinion of your response; it was not reading your mind or attributing motives. If it had said that you intended such and such, it would have been "making it personal."

[Godzilla]

What is so hard about answering the question that I asked you???? Why can't you answer that question??

As I recall stormie, you haven't answered a lot of questions that I have submitted to you. What shall we call your redherring then? It doesn't matter if babies are baptised or not. What does matter is the Person, Nature and Work of that God - or in your case - gods. And that I will address. Tell us of your testimony stormie, that you believe the book of mormon and joseph smith is a prophet. Where is the archaeological evidence for the bom? DNA disproves the bom story (and historic teachings by these so-called prophets) that the Amerindians are descendents of Lehi. How many 'prophecies' of smith came to pass????. Which contradictory story of the first vision is the correct one and which one is false teaching? Is Jehovah = heavenly father (as smith and the early mormon church taught) or is it Jesus as later teachings state. Joseph lied about adultry/bigamy before his congregants and the law - is God all about endorsing a lie to the gospel principle. The translation of the scroll from which smith translated the book of abraham bears no resemblence to what the true translation is.

No, your own scriptures and church history are adequate to condemn mormonism as false doctine(s). Gal 1:8 - But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Mormonism! The Other American Cult, Placemarker!

[Stourme]

Neither group is going to hell. You see, baptism is a means of grace (a concept the LDS don’t understand).

The denominations that practice infant baptism (where the child is baptized so that they may grow in faith) have the rite of confirmation, which is a public declaration of faith.

Nice try but wrong. Teaching a false doctrine is teaching a false doctrine.

Catholics believe baptism removes original sin. And is necessary for salvation. Whatever you're teaching, it is against Catholic teaching.

The Lutherans say:
(Augsburg Confession)

Article IX: Of Baptism. Of Baptism they teach that it is necessary to salvation, and that through Baptism is offered the grace of God, and that children are to be baptized who, being offered to God through Baptism are received into God's grace. They condemn the Anabaptists, who reject the baptism of children, and say that children are saved without Baptism.

Maybe you don't really know what the rest of modern "christianity" believes. Is that the problem?

The Catholics aren't wishy washy about it.

SALVATION IS THROUGH THE CHURCH
36. Based on what has been said, no one can obtain salvation from Christ unless they do so through the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the visible Body of Christ.

Now that's conviction that I can respect.

Reaganaut, I have shown you that what you claim about baptism is in complete opposition to what Christianity officially teaches.

So, according to your own words:

Yes, I would. I would also say that someone who has been shown the truth, yet CHOOSES TO BELIEVE A LIE, is going to hell.

Who do you say is going to hell, Catholics, Baptists, or you?

*I included you as a possible choice for you to choose from because you're teaching something different than they are.*

[reaganaut]

I am not teaching false doctrine. It is you who fails to understand the bigger picture.

What I stated is in agreement with those statements posted. But again, someone with no concept of accurate theology (Mormons) cannot be expected to understand.

Neither Catholics, Protestants, or I am headed to Hell.

*Shakes dust of my feet*

[reaganaut]

correction: That should have been:

*Shakes the dust off of my feet”

[Stourme]

I am not teaching false doctrine. It is you who fails to understand the bigger picture.

What I stated is in agreement with those statements posted. But again, someone with no concept of accurate theology (Mormons) cannot be expected to understand.

Anti-Mormon rule #1: When you feel backed into a corner, insult the Mormons and hope the attention gets shifted.

But we're not talking about the Mormons now are we?

You can't create a bigger picture where one doesn't exist.

Contradicting "christian" doctrine is what it is and no amount of distraction, wishful thinking, and denial can change that reality.

1. Catholics and Lutherans doctrine is set in stone. Its documented and authorized by their respective organizations. These organizations have gone to war over their respective doctrines.

As I have shown you in official Lutheran doctrine, the Lutherans publicly state that the baptist teach false doctrine.

Do you agree with them?

2. Their doctrines are diametrically opposed to the other side of "christianity", the Baptist sects.

The Baptist sects proclaim that the Lutheran doctrine is wrong. Do you agree with them?

They both can't be right. Because each of them insist that the other is wrong. And at times violently insist.

You can't change that, or deny it.

My question to you still stands. Which one of them is teaching false doctrine???

If that question is too difficult, let me simplify it some; are the Lutherans teaching false doctrine when they condemn the Baptist?

That's a very simple yes or no question.

[Elsie]

Which group is teaching false doctrine??

Let me help:

Neither.

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Which MORMON group is the true one?

The one group, led by people afraid of the Murdering, Bigotted Mobs in Missouri, who FLED to Utah; or the the ones who were NOT afraid to stay behind, thereby keeping title to all the property - real and intellectual?

[Elsie]

But I do not expect someone who is active LDS to understand.

Humph!

We UNDERSTAND Baptisim for the DEAD; so why would we NOT understand ALL things pertaining to any type of Baptism?

--MormonDude(When will YOU decide to learn more about the Restored Gospel®? We have young, HIGHLY trained missionaries ready for your call - day or night.)