[Birmingham Rain]

“Me too. I realize you’re calling me a “cultist” in the most unoffensive manner. I really shouldn’t take offense at that.”

Take it as you like. Mormon posts here are always knocking Christians so I couldn’t care less how it’s taken. Mormonism is a cult. You live by its tenets; live with the fact of what it is.

“I cannot believe anyone could say something like this with a straight face.”

It’s hard to say anything about Mormonism with a straight face .

“It’s truly mind numbing that people can point fingers at the LDS and decry our founding and at the same time completely ignore the founding of their own church. But some how, burning people at the stake gets a pass. The inquisitions get a pass. The Crusades get a pass. ....sheesh the list is too long to repeat here...1500 years of torture and murder are some how dwarfed by Josesph Smith having more than one wife...like Abraham did...just...wow.”

Like Abraham did without God’s consent? Sorry, I missed God’s approval of Abraham’s decision to take on Hagar. Is it in one of your books, perhaps?

I’m not sure how to take the rest of that paragraph. Do you sincerely believe Joseph Smith’s only wrong was having more than one wife? The souls his teachings are leading straight South concern me the most. And I don’t remember ever giving the Inquisition or Crusades a pass, but I’m glad you at least acknowledge the separation of Christianity and Mormonism by stating, “... decry our founding and at the same time completely ignore the founding of their own church.” Can you find my post that did give the pass and refer me to it so that I can beg apologies for it something I don’t remember ever posting in the first place? I seem to have misplaced it.

“Do you deny these scriptures exists?

“ 1 John 3:2
“ 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

“ Romans 8:16 - 17 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
“17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

“....notice the “joint-heirs with Christ” and the “glorified together” parts. Glorified together with Christ....that doesn’t mean, below Him.”

It doesn’t mean below Him? Are you kidding me? You believe you will be equal with Jesus? Puleeze. To share in the glories of Heaven, yes; to be with Him, yes; but, to be as Him, NO!! Oh, please. Even trying to interpret Scripture in such a way as to set yourself up as God should raise a red flag. Can you truly not see that? Can you not understand that you were made to worship God, not to be Him?

We are CHILDREN of God, not God Himself, nor shall we ever be. HITTING YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH A FRYING PAN: Do you not believe Scripture insofar as God is above all and always will be? Do you believe that being glorified along with Him is saying that you will be glorified AS Him? And that begs the question: Who’s going to glorify whom? If everyone’s equal, who’s left to do the worshiping? Do you really believe God is going to sink to our level at some point in the future? Do you think He is going to sin and become like us so we all can sing along and praise Joseph Smith for passing out tickets so that God can sit around and be with us? No. Uh uh. Assuming that your ticket will one day be validated, you will be worshiping God - not t’other way around. Or, is the task of worshiping going to be left to the womenfolk? (You see any problem with any of this yet?)

Hey, listen. I’m sorry you’re suffering from physical limitations, and I hope you’re not in pain.

Continue when you feel like it. I’m off and on and never in a hurry.

Get well soon (and YES I MEAN IT so please don’t insult me for saying it).

BR

[reaganaut]

You believe you will be equal with Jesus?

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The way it was explained to me (by the LDS missionaries) was this:

“Since we are all children of God, then he wants us to be just like him. Just as we want our children to have better lives then we had, God wants his spirit children to have the best afterlife we can. That means exaltation and eternal progression.”

I really cannot believe I fell for that. I thank God I was not struck down for that blasphemy and that He eventually opened my eyes.

Rather than wanting to BECOME a god, I now, with absolute joy, bow before His majesty because He ALONE is God.

[Stourme]

Continue when you feel like it. I’m off and on and never in a hurry.

Get well soon...

Thank you very much. In case you're curious, I was in a car wreck some time ago and took a huge hit to the head. As a result, anytime I have to focus with my eyes....it hurts and it fatigues my brain...I start getting weaker and weaker until I can't hold my self up straight.

I used to make fun of people that wore bike helmets.... not now though...ohhhh nooooes not any more....let me tell ya.

I'm on medication, which allow me to see. Without them, I go blind after a short time.

Well...enough about me...how is your day going?

Take it as you like. Mormon posts here are always knocking Christians so I couldn’t care less how it’s taken. Mormonism is a cult. You live by its tenets; live with the fact of what it is.

No Latter-day Saint ever mocks someone for following Jesus Christ. However, that not the same as examining the doctrines of various churches.

And every Latter-day Saint on this forum, including me, show a huge amount of restraint when discussing your church?

Do you not think that you're immune to being called a cultist? Do you think you're church is some how pure as fresh snow?

I could make a career out of giving modern churches a serious colon exam.

But I don't. Discussion is a good thing. But I'm not interested in tearing you down. That's not what the Lord wants me to do.

Like Abraham did without God’s consent? Sorry, I missed God’s approval of Abraham’s decision to take on Hagar. Is it in one of your books, perhaps?

Yes, it's in one of my books. The book is called Genesis. It's in the Bible.

Abraham was so righteous before God that God spoke to Abraham face to face.

Abraham was a prophet of God. Abraham did nothing unless God approved it first.

What did God send His angel to tell Abraham's second wife, Hagar?

Genesis 16:10
10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

As a matter of fact, the angel was sent to Hagar because she ran away and God wanted her back with Abraham.

Genesis 21:13
13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

22 And it came to pass at that time, that Abimelech and Phichol the chief captain of his host spake unto Abraham, saying, God is with thee in all that thou doest:

Abraham had two wives. God blessed Abraham's son from his second wife. God sent angels to bring Hagar back to Abraham.

Sorry BR...but that's a fact that you can't get around or explain away.

You believe you will be equal with Jesus? Puleeze. To share in the glories of Heaven, yes; to be with Him, yes; but, to be as Him, NO!!

Unfortunately modern churches have no idea why we are on this earth or what waits beyond this life.

1. Father in Heaven will always be Father in Heaven. There is order in Heaven. Jesus will always be our savior.

2. God's promise is to exalt those who follow His commandments.

Romans 8:17
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Children grow up to be like their parents and we are children of God.

What I don't get is why people claim to accept the Bible but then reject 90% of it because it makes them uncomfortable. Each to their own I guess....