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To: annalex
The Jesuits, for sure. While there are individual Jesuiut priests who are true Catholic, the order as a whole has gone heterodox since the 70’s.

Perhaps, but the man is quoting John Paul II. You are saying he is heterodox as well? When you are quoting someone, its their words that matter, not the quoter unless you suppose the quote has been altered.

Look, your stance has been the justification of evil done against Jews for two centuries but in the final analysis, even the most anti-semetic Popes found themselves having to provide for keeping his own last supply of Jews for without them Revelation falls apart. "No Heaven for you!" says the Soup Nazi.

If the Jews are necessary then they are still an integral part of the story, and thus cannot be cut off or left out any more than Joseph was cut off in Pharoh's dungeon. There is no possibility of the second coming if their are no Jews left, so understand, for your basic system to work there had better be some Jews around. Thus all of this talk about the branches grafted on to the root and then somehow providing for themselves their own root.. is silliness.

This is why, many who have looked at the whole of the plain words have become Zionists much to the chagrin of the Jewish community.

The Jewish community thinks this new use of Jews as the sacrificial lambs for Revelation's events as a bit of a bore as well. And say, that this motive of seeing us killed by the million to bring about the second coming as not being something we care to participate in.

Ultimately, replacement theology cannot stand an internal analysis of consistency to the rest of the Christian Cannon.

But this is not the point. The point is that Replacement Theology supposes that God is willing to break his Covenant given directly to the people who are his chosen emissaries. This is supposed because the Jews had not reached out to teach the rest of humanity but this is not so. Instead, at the time of the distruction of the 2nd Temple, 10% of the population of the entire Roman Empire was Jewish.

It was Emperor Hadrian's assault on Judiasm and the conflict that occurred between the "Orthodox" Jewish community in Judea and the early adherents of Christianity that forced Christians to adapt sharp differentiations between themselves and the Jews of the time. For in crushing Judea, Hadrian committed an atrocity that was as great or greater than Hitler, but even in this the divine hand can be seen. As murdered Jews by the Hundreds of Thousands and salted the earth to make Judea a desert, he was preserving Israel for the return of the Jews in the current era.

And if you attempt to say, what price did Hadrian pay, for how is it that this served God's purpose to murder us so, then we see that great things occured because of this. The most important of which was the casting of the Oral Torah onto paper so that it might be preserved if the last Rabbi was murdered. The end of the Temple Sacrificial practice with the passing of necessary elements for a Jewish Priest to function. And even though the whole population of Judea was murdered or hauled off into slavery, and the Jews of the rest of the empire oppressed and murdered or converted to other faiths, Hadrian's plan to conquer Persia was thwarted never to be attempted by any following Roman Emperor.

Infact, the Hadrian's sacking of Judea in response to the Bar Kochba rebellion marked the true high water mark for the Roman empire. From there on, Rome was never to again hold the territory or the power they had before this atrocity.

Ultimately, what matters is that for some reason, beyond all reason, Jews still matter. There are only 12 million of us, yet we seem to be right in the eye of history and unfolding events.

The Holocaust has shaken Jews to the core, forcing us to ask, why. Why were we sheep led to the slaughter? Why did so many good people do nothing? Does God still love us or are we truly forsaken as the Christian's and Muslims and everyone else keeps assuring us. But, it is funny, the very word Holocaust being chosen to describe the great organized murder of so many people. Jews and Gentiles the same. For it is the term used to describe what is done to a sacrifice in the old Temple where the lamb is entirely burnt and the smoke rises to heaven. This was an evil sacrifice and the people who organized it evil people who were crushed to dust in a matter of a few short years, for the whole might and the greatest terrors imaginable were unleashed into mans hands in the space of these very same years so that this evil could be crushed.

The olive tree still stands. Extra branches are fine. The Jew is acutely aware that history is full of Righteous Gentiles without whom Jews would not have existed or survived. Christianity has meaning and it can be a blessing for all who reach out to God through its teachings, but evil has been done and will be done via folks manipulating its teachings just the same. But for all of these flaws, Christian's have the opportunity to live Righteously and in complete accord with the requirements of Torah when they are not Jews, for only Jews are obligated to be Jews and though any human can decide to become a Jew, the obligation falls on not just that individual but all of the generations to come.

33 posted on 05/13/2009 2:49:44 PM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight

For the third time: the Revelation of Christ and His rejection by the organized Judaism is not God stopping to love the Jews, or breaking His own word. When Jews convert to Catholic Christianity, the covenant of Moses will be fulfilled.

Nothing John Paul II, or any other pope, said contradicts the posted discourse or replacement theology, at least not fundamentally.

Catholicism condemns the Holocaust as an unspeakable crime, as well as it condemns racism of every kind.


34 posted on 05/13/2009 2:58:05 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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