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Radio Replies Volume One: Baptists
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Posted on 05/27/2009 8:53:00 AM PDT by GonzoII


Baptists



309. The Baptist Church is the true Church. It really acts as did the first Christians, while the Catholic Church is not mentioned in Scripture as the true Church.

The Baptist Church is certainly not mentioned in Scripture. The Catholic Church is most clearly described there. Meantime, do Baptists act as did the first Christians? Do they go to Confession? Have they the sacrifice of the Mass? Baptists, like other Protestants, insist upon one thing not commanded by Christ, and neglect most of the things insisted upon by Him. Also, Christ said that His Church would be in the world all days from His time until the end of the world. But where was the Baptist Church before the 15th century? Christ certainly was not the Founder of the Baptist Church. It is subject to all the defects common to other forms of Protestantism.

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Rev. Dr. Leslie Rumble, M.S.C.

"I was brought up as a Protestant, probably with more inherited prejudices than most non-Catholics of these days.  My parents were Anglican and taught me the Angelican faith. My 'broad-minded' protestant teachers taught me to dislike the Catholic Church intensely. I later tried Protestantism in various other forms, and it is some thirty years since, in God's providence, I became a Catholic. As for the 'open, free, sincere worship' of a Protestant Church, I tasted it, but for me it proved in the end to be not only open, but empty; it was altogether too free from God's prescriptions."

Eventually, Leslie became a priest of the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart.

In 1928, Fr. Rumble began a one-hour 'Question Box' program on 2SM Sydney, N.S.W. radio on Sunday evenings that was heard all over Australia and New Zealand. For five years he answered questions on every subject imaginable that had been written to him from all over that part of the globe. His first show began with a classic introduction:

"Good evening, listeners all. For some time I have been promising to give a session dealing with questions of religion and morality, in which the listeners themselves should decide what is of interest to them. Such a session will commence next Sunday evening, and I invite you to send in any questions you wish on these subjects . . . So now I invite you, non-Catholics above all, to send in any questions you wish on religion, or morality, or the Catholic Church, and I shall explain exactly the Catholic position, and give the reasons for it. In fact I almost demand those questions. Many hard things have been said, and are still being said, about the Catholic Church, though no criminal, has been so abused, that she has a right to be heard. I do not ask that you give your name and address. A nom de plume will do. Call yourself Voltaire, Confucius, X.Y.Z., what you like, so long as you give indication enough to recognize your answer."

"By the summer of 1937, the first edition of Radio Replies was already in print in Australia, financed by Rt. Rev. Monsignor James Meany, P.P. - the director of Station 2SM of whom I am greatly indebted."

"I have often been mistaken, as most men at times. And it is precisely to make sure that I will not be mistaken in the supremely important matter of religion that I cling to a Church which cannot be mistaken, but must be right where I might be wrong. God knew that so many sincere men would make mistakes that He deliberately established an infallible Church to preserve them from error where it was most important that they should not go wrong."

Rev. Charles Mortimer Carty

I broadcast my radio program, the Catholic Radio Hour,  from St. Paul, Minnesota.

I was also carrying on as a Catholic Campaigner for Christ, the Apostolate to the man in the street through the medium of my trailer and loud-speaking system. In the distribution of pamphlets and books on the Catholic Faith, Radio Replies proved the most talked of book carried in my trailer display of Catholic literature. As many of us street preachers have learned, it is not so much what you say over the microphone in answer to questions from open air listeners, but what you get into their hands to read. The questions Fr. Rumble had to answer on the other side of the planet are same the questions I had to answer before friendly and hostile audiences throughout my summer campaign."

I realized that this priest in Australia was doing exactly the same work I was doing here in St. Paul. Because of the success of his book, plus the delay in getting copies from Sydney and the prohibitive cost of the book on this side of the universe, I got in contact with him to publish a cheap American edition.  

It doesn't take long for the imagination to start thinking about how much we could actually do. We began the Radio Replies Press Society Publishing Company, finished the American edition of what was to be the first volume of Radio Replies, recieved the necessary imprimatur, and Msgr. Fulton J. Sheen agreed to write a preface. About a year after the publication of the first edition in Australia, we had the American edition out and in people's hands.

The book turned into a phenomena. Letters began pouring into my office from every corner of the United States; Protestant Publishing Houses are requesting copies for distribution to Protestant Seminaries; a few Catholic Seminaries have adopted it as an official textbook - and I had still never met Dr. Rumble in person.

To keep a long story short, we finally got a chance to meet, published volumes two and three of Radio Replies, printed a set of ten booklets on subjects people most often asked about, and a few other pamphlets on subjects of interest to us.

Fr. Carty died on May 22, 1964 in Connecticut.

"Firstly, since God is the Author of all truth, nothing that is definitely true can every really contradict anything else that is definitely true. Secondly, the Catholic Church is definitely true. It therefore follows that no objection or difficulty, whether drawn from history, Scripture, science, or philosophy, can provide a valid argument against the truth of the Catholic religion."



Biographies compiled from the introductions to Radio Replies, volumes 1, 2 and 3.

Source: www.catholicauthors.com

1 posted on 05/27/2009 8:53:00 AM PDT by GonzoII
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2 posted on 05/27/2009 8:53:36 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: All

The Radio Replies Series: Volume One

Chapter One: God

Radio Replies Volume One: God’s Existence Known by Reason
Radio Replies Volume One: Nature of God
Radio Replies Volume One: Providence of God and Problem of Evil

Chapter Two: Man

Radio Replies Volume One: Nature of Man & Existence and Nature of the Soul
Radio Replies Volume One: Immortality of the Soul
Radio Replies Volume One: Destiny of the Soul & Freewill of Man

Chapter Three: Religion

Radio Replies Volume One: Nature of Religion & Necessity of Religion

Chapter Four: The Religion of the Bible

Radio Replies Volume One: Natural Religion & Revealed Religion
Radio Replies Volume One: Mysteries of Religion
Radio Replies Volume One: Miracles
Radio Replies Volume One: Value of the Gospels
Radio Replies Volume One: Inspiration of the Gospels
Radio Replies Volume One: Old Testament Difficulties [Part 1]
Radio Replies Volume One: Old Testament Difficulties [Part 2]
Radio Replies Volume One: Old Testament Difficulties [Part 3]
Radio Replies Volume One: New Testament Difficulties

Chapter Five: The Christian Faith

Radio Replies Volume One: The Religion of the Jews
Radio Replies Volume One: Truth of Christianity
Radio Replies Volume One: Nature and Necessity of Faith

Chapter Six: A Definite Christian Faith

Radio Replies Volume One: Conflicting Churches
Radio Replies Volume One: Are All One Church?
Radio Replies Volume One: Is One Religion As Good As Another?
Radio Replies Volume One: The Fallacy of Indifference

Chapter Seven: The Failure of Protestantism

Radio Replies Volume One: Protestantism Erroneous
Radio Replies Volume One: Luther
Radio Replies Volume One: Anglicanism
Radio Replies Volume One: Greek Orthodox Church
Radio Replies Volume One: Wesley
Radio Replies Volume One: Baptists

3 posted on 05/27/2009 8:55:16 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

what, is it bash a baptist day?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k03Pa1Z4fc4


4 posted on 05/27/2009 9:06:45 AM PDT by banalblues (God help us all.)
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To: banalblues

The Protestant bashing threads from this “radio one” thing are getting downright silly.


5 posted on 05/27/2009 9:08:09 AM PDT by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: GonzoII

So Jesus founded a church, His Body, that allowed people to become a member of His Body even if they didn’t believe in Him...As long as they got sprinkled with water that you guys call baptism...

Is this how you guys are going to join with Izlam, just get them muzlims sprinkled with some ‘holy’ water, no need for Jesus???

A Catholic can become a Christian without Jesus...What a whacko religion...


6 posted on 05/27/2009 9:16:23 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Terabitten

I just noticed this thread and thought to myself, “why are they bashing us baptist”? I don’t agree with catholics on many issues but right now we are living in a serious time and all christians need to pull together rather than tear each other apart.


7 posted on 05/27/2009 9:25:10 AM PDT by banalblues (God help us all.)
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To: Iscool
"So Jesus founded a church, His Body, that allowed people to become a member of His Body even if they didn’t believe in Him...As long as they got sprinkled with water that you guys call baptism..."

Mk:16:16: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned."

8 posted on 05/27/2009 9:25:16 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Iscool
A Catholic can become a Christian . . .

No Catholic needs to become a Christian because all Catholics ARE Christian.

9 posted on 05/27/2009 9:27:41 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: GonzoII; wmfights; blue-duncan; Quix
The Baptist Church is certainly not mentioned in Scripture. The Catholic Church is most clearly described there.
Where????? Hogwash. You do not have anything resembling the Catholic church in Scripture. You don't have the forbidding of priests to marry, nor the veneration of Mary, nor the mass, nor infant baptism, nor the primacy of Rome at all. You have disciples, some single, some married - as Peter was, sharing with independent churches throughout Israel, Asia Minor, and eventually at Rome, being developed by Apostles and other disciples. You have baptism by immersion of believer's only- something distinctly Baptist. You have observance of the Lord's supper - not as another sacrifice for sins, but in rememberance of what the Lord did once for all. You have no evidence of formal confession to a priest, rather Scripture says confess your sins one to another and pray for one another. Sorry, on the Scriptural argument Catholicism loses.
10 posted on 05/27/2009 9:31:33 AM PDT by Blogger (It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Iscool
Its unfortunate to see Christian Groups competing with one another. There is far too much dogma and the differences simply pull Christians apart from one another.If you follow the teachings of Jesus and follow the commandments,loving God and your neighbor as yourself,you are a Christian in every sense of the word. I think Jesus would be very saddened to see so many of these denominations trying to prove that their particular dogma is greater than anothers. The essence of Christianity is Love and adherence to the teachings of our Lord.Its time to put differences behind us and emphasize the areas upon which we all agree.
11 posted on 05/27/2009 9:32:43 AM PDT by WilliamPatrick
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To: Petronski
No Catholic needs to become a Christian because all Catholics ARE Christian.

Even the Catholics that don't believe in Jesus???

12 posted on 05/27/2009 9:33:39 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: GonzoII
Mk:16:16: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned."

You keep replaying this verse to prove you only need baptism (not belief in Jesus) to become a Christian...Care to expound on that a little bit???

13 posted on 05/27/2009 9:36:14 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: banalblues
I am Catholic and I agree with you. These doctrinal disputes only dividing us at a time when Christian unity is necessary to combat the evils of abortion and so many other problems that have infected the modern world.
14 posted on 05/27/2009 9:40:39 AM PDT by WilliamPatrick
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To: WilliamPatrick
If you follow the teachings of Jesus and follow the commandments,loving God and your neighbor as yourself,you are a Christian in every sense of the word.

You certainly can't love Jesus if you don't believe in Him...But you say, love God, like the muzlims do, eh??? Love God, love your neighbor but forget about Jesus???

Follow the teachings of Jesus but don't believe He is God come in the flesh???

How does that work with you guys???

15 posted on 05/27/2009 9:41:02 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Blogger
"You don't have the forbidding of priests to marry"

No you don't. But you do have the authority given to the Church to make it and other things a requirement.

16 posted on 05/27/2009 9:46:30 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Terabitten

I think we might need to get the Moderators involved. These attacks on religion by Catholic Radicals lol... are getting out of hand.


17 posted on 05/27/2009 9:46:39 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: Blogger

I saw nothing resembling the Catholic Church there... where did it tell us to pray to Mary? or that any of these Saints can answer a prayer... I thought we only reached God through Jesus, I did see that in there by the way, not through outsourcing.


18 posted on 05/27/2009 9:48:57 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: Iscool

As a Catholic I have never heard of such a thing. Yes you must believe in Jesus and Catholics do.


19 posted on 05/27/2009 9:49:30 AM PDT by WilliamPatrick
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To: GonzoII
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

You refuse to comment further on the verse but I think I get what you are trying to imply...

Apparently you figure the belief spoken of in the verse is belief in the baptism, NOT the Gospel...

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

That must be how you are trying to pull off this scam...

20 posted on 05/27/2009 9:49:42 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

Catholics believe in the Trinity and that he is the second person of the Blessed Trinity and is therefore God. The Father is also God and so is the Holy Spirit.


21 posted on 05/27/2009 9:54:48 AM PDT by WilliamPatrick
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To: Blogger
The Baptist Church is certainly not mentioned in Scripture. The Catholic Church is most clearly described there.

Where?????

Hogwash. [HTTM: HOGWASH TO THE MAX]

You do not have anything resembling the [Roman] Catholic church in Scripture.

You don't have the forbidding of priests to marry,
nor the veneration of Mary,
nor the mass [some will quibble about that!],
nor infant baptism,
nor the primacy of Rome at all.

You have disciples, some single, some married - as Peter was, sharing with independent churches throughout Israel, Asia Minor, and eventually at Rome, being developed by Apostles and other disciples.

You have baptism by immersion of believer's only- something distinctly Baptist.

You have observance of the Lord's supper - not as another sacrifice for sins, but in rememberance of what the Lord did once for all.

You have no evidence of formal confession to a priest, rather Scripture says confess your sins one to another and pray for one another.

Sorry, on the Scriptural argument Catholicism loses.

INDEED. THAT'S WHY they have to lean so hard on !!!!TRADITION!!!! that they end up doing repeated back flips in adoration of !!!!TRADITION!!!! . . . one sometimes wonders . . . while . . . Christ waits patiently for some 1:1 PERSON TO PERSON dialogue.

22 posted on 05/27/2009 9:54:52 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Blogger; GonzoII; wmfights; blue-duncan; Quix
You don't have the forbidding of priests to marry

That is not a defining characteristic of Catholicism as a whole.

nor the veneration of Mary

Luke 1, Luke 11:27, Rev. 12, John 19:26-27 as well as John 2:1-5 motivate our love for Our Blessed Mother and demonstrate her love for us.

the mass

The last supper contains the key words "this is my body, etc."; that we eat Jesus's real body is also explained in John 6. The instruction to priests to "do it" is in Luke 22:19. The sacramental and sacrifical character of the Mass is in 1 Cor. 11.

infant baptism

Surely not prohibited by the scripture; there are several references to baptizing the entire household in the Acts; the analogy with circumcision allows for it. On the other hand, the Church is not opposed to baptism at any age, and requires what you might call believer baptism of adults. Full immersion baptism is encouraged when practical; like you might expect the practice be in arid Palestine, we do not insist on full immersion. It is strange to see such attention to ritualistic detail among the Baptists, by the way.

primacy of Rome

Not a defining Catholic characteristic if you mean it in the geographical sense. Primacy of Peter over other apostles is all over the gospels, hence the papacy.

formal confession to a priest

You agree that confession of sin is mandated by the scripture, but object to "formal" confession. However, the authority to forgive or retain sins so that they stay either forgiven or retained in heaven (John 20:21-23) can only belong to a select organized group.

You can surely offer your own interpretation that is non-Catholic of all these scriptures, but your "You do not have anything resembling the Catholic church in Scripture" betrays a level of ignorance of the Holy Scripture that is unusual in a Baptist.

23 posted on 05/27/2009 9:55:44 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Iscool

GREAT POINT.

And I must forcefully walk my fingers away from this thread.

Blessings,


24 posted on 05/27/2009 9:55:46 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: GonzoII; Iscool; Blogger; wmfights; Quix

“Mk:16:16: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned.”

Your church interprets “believeth” in a universal way. It does not mean believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, exclusively. Based on the Lumen Gentium, sincere belief on a coke bottle fallen from the sky is enough to get you to wherever or the sincere belief of the Heaven’s Gate cult waiting for the appearance of Comet Hale-Bopp in 1997 got them eternal life somewhere.

It just depends on whoever you sincerely believe God is, could be obama!

In the words of Lumen Gentium, adopted at Vatican II:

“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”

“The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church.”


25 posted on 05/27/2009 10:02:38 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: banalblues

“The Catholic Church is most clearly described there”,,

Oh please, like Jesus ever described a church-as-government, based in Rome, living like royalty. In truth, the Catholic church is an autocratic offshoot of the true church that existed in Constantinople. The Orthodox Church is the tree, Catholics are a branch. The purpose of their sect was to try to dictate to the first churches. They rejected that. Baptists trace from European Catholicism. Baptists rejected it too.

If you are not orthodox, Baptist is the closest you can be to the first churches. Autonomous, centered in Christ and the individual as worthy to speak with God with no human mediator, and submissive to no man-made hierarchy.

Catholicism is a man made thing,,,designed to control people. And that is what it has done well.


26 posted on 05/27/2009 10:02:38 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Blogger

How about their other whopper? *Mary herself* popped down in Mexico City and told Juan Diego that Mexicans should all be Catholic! And thats ok,, But Mormons saying Jesus visited American indians,, THATS just crazy.

Sounds pretty similar to me,,,


27 posted on 05/27/2009 10:06:03 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Iscool
Even the Catholics that don't believe in Jesus???

Your posts have become incoherent.

28 posted on 05/27/2009 10:10:07 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: WilliamPatrick; GonzoII
As a Catholic I have never heard of such a thing. Yes you must believe in Jesus and Catholics do.

This is from Gonzo's anti-Wesley post from yesterday link that Gonzo obviously endorses...

Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned." This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a "believer's baptism."

Apparently this is a widespread belief in your religion...And although it may be Catholic, it AIN'T Christian...It is anti-Christian...

Obviously Gonzo is trying to peddle this apostate belief to the masses on FR and who else knows where...

This demonic teaching opens the door for Izlam to join with the Catholic religion...All they have to do is claim to follow the moral teachings of Jesus the Prophet and get baptized...Presto-chango...They are now Muzlim Catholics/Christians...

And this goes for anyone...Just believe in baptism and you will be in the body of Christ...Deception at it's finest...

29 posted on 05/27/2009 10:10:27 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: GeronL
This is an "open" thread in the Religion Forum. Posters can argue for or against beliefs in a town square format.

Beliefs may be ridiculed, the discussion may become contentious.

Posters who are offended by this type of debate should ignore open threads altogether and instead read and post to the "prayer" "devotional" "caucus" or "ecumenical" threads in the Religion Forum.

30 posted on 05/27/2009 10:12:39 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Quix
And I must forcefully walk my fingers away from this thread.

LOL, yes, I find myself regularly putting my hands in my pockets to refrain from responding to these kinds of posted articles.

Oh well, whatever floats the poster's boat I guess.

31 posted on 05/27/2009 10:12:48 AM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: annalex

Peter wasn’t a pope. Catholics claim that, but the orthdox trace back to him as well. If you forget your Italian, German, French, Spanish, or English heritage, the orthodox view is extremely strong, that the Roman Catholics split away from the Christian church, and not vice versa.


32 posted on 05/27/2009 10:13:41 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Religion Moderator

I always use the ‘everything’ feature.

sorry, I guess I need to think up some Catholic bashing posts now.


33 posted on 05/27/2009 10:16:58 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: DesertRhino

I think there were some pretty violent Roman Emperors who were popes, whatever a ‘Pope’ is. I don’t remember seeing that word in the Bible either.


34 posted on 05/27/2009 10:20:42 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: annalex
infant baptism

Surely not prohibited by the scripture

Not true at all...

Not only are there references in the scripture where Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit WITHOUT water baptism, there is no spot in scripture where one ever gets baptized without FIRST turning to Jesus...

So this practice excludes anyone of any age who does not personally chose to repent (change direction and turn to Jesus) and believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior...

When your tradition contradicts the scriptures, trash the tradition...

35 posted on 05/27/2009 10:21:05 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Quix

lol...


36 posted on 05/27/2009 10:21:31 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
This demonic teaching opens the door for Izlam to join with the Catholic religion...All they have to do is claim to follow the moral teachings of Jesus the Prophet and get baptized...Presto-chango...They are now Muzlim Catholics/Christians...

This is your imagination, not any Catholic teaching/doctrine/act.

37 posted on 05/27/2009 10:26:38 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: DesertRhino
Peter wasn’t a pope.

He wasn't just a pope, he was the first pope, named by Christ Himself.

38 posted on 05/27/2009 10:27:40 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: GeronL
I don’t remember seeing that word in the Bible either.

It's right between Trinity and sola scriptura.

39 posted on 05/27/2009 10:28:45 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool

Catholic Tradition does not contradict Scripture, it merely contradicts your own personal interpretation of Scripture.


40 posted on 05/27/2009 10:29:49 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: DesertRhino

The Orthodox were Catholic for the first ten centuries of the Chruch’s existence and supported the papacy, to which numerous quotes from the Chruch fathers East and West can attest.

My heritage is Russian, by the way.


41 posted on 05/27/2009 10:32:41 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: GeronL

Yep there were. And as far as that balonet about the pope tracing back to Peter. Peter was the Bishop of Rome, thats it. He didnt take a leadership role in the early Christian counsels either. (Which occurred in Asia minor,,Turkey)

Constantinope was Clearly the home of Christianty. And all the first churches met there as equals.

And for another thing, All Eastern Orthodox bishops trace their lineage back to one of the twelve Apostles through the process of Apostolic Succession. Catholic bishops don’t. When they meet on church matters in constantinople, they are equals in theology.

Baptist 1970 is ultimately as close as you get to Jesus IMO. Read the bible, pray, priesthood of the believer, and each church is its own governing entity. What could be more faithful to the first church?


42 posted on 05/27/2009 10:32:47 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Petronski

I did an online bible word search... nothing for bishop or Pope


43 posted on 05/27/2009 10:32:51 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: Blogger; GonzoII; wmfights; blue-duncan; Quix
You have disciples, some single, some married - as Peter was, sharing with independent churches throughout Israel, Asia Minor, and eventually at Rome, being developed by Apostles and other disciples. You have baptism by immersion of believer's only- something distinctly Baptist. You have observance of the Lord's supper - not as another sacrifice for sins, but in rememberance of what the Lord did once for all.

Wonderfully said.

Let me add you also do not have a hierarchy ruling over the congregation. You have elders accountable to the congregation and elders appointed by the congregation.

The Baptist model is the model found in the Apostolic Era. We are churches united by our faith and practices but under local authority.

44 posted on 05/27/2009 10:32:51 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: DesertRhino
“Catholicism is a man made thing,,,designed to control people. And that is what it has done well.”

I would also add that this system is similar to what Democrats try to do with their big government plantation. Keep people dependent on them and government.

Rome has the same setup, the grace from God is given out only through them, the church, through the sacraments. The members are told what to say, when to kneel, and when to stand and sit. The “priests” allegedly have the power to force Jesus from the right Hand of the Father to come down to be re-sacrificed over and over. Yet this “power” that allows them to turn bread into Jesus, somehow cannot be utilized in order to keep their pants on when in the vicinity of teenage boys. This is clear evidence to me that “priests” do not have the power Rome claims they do.

There in but ONE mediator, who was sacrificed ONCE for ALL.

45 posted on 05/27/2009 10:33:05 AM PDT by Veeram ("Any fool (Liberal) can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." ---Benjamin Franklin)
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To: GeronL
I did an online bible word search...nothing for Trinity or sola Scriptura.
46 posted on 05/27/2009 10:34:12 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Veeram
The “priests” allegedly have the power to force Jesus from the right Hand of the Father to come down to be re-sacrificed over and over.

Who is alleging this?

47 posted on 05/27/2009 10:35:01 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Veeram
Yet this “power” that allows them to turn bread into Jesus, somehow cannot be utilized in order to keep their pants on when in the vicinity of teenage boys.

What a fantastic slander!

48 posted on 05/27/2009 10:36:02 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Veeram
There in but ONE mediator...

So you've never asked someone else to pray for you?

49 posted on 05/27/2009 10:37:15 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool
The first Chriastians were adult converts and indeed practiced the Catholic form of baptism for adults, which involved a profession of faith and penance and is similar to the valid forms of Protestant baptism of adults. Once they were converted, they had their entire household baptized:

15 And when she was baptized, and her household...

33 ... he ... was baptized, and all his house immediately. (Acts 16)


50 posted on 05/27/2009 10:39:03 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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