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To: WilliamPatrick; GonzoII
As a Catholic I have never heard of such a thing. Yes you must believe in Jesus and Catholics do.

This is from Gonzo's anti-Wesley post from yesterday link that Gonzo obviously endorses...

Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned." This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a "believer's baptism."

Apparently this is a widespread belief in your religion...And although it may be Catholic, it AIN'T Christian...It is anti-Christian...

Obviously Gonzo is trying to peddle this apostate belief to the masses on FR and who else knows where...

This demonic teaching opens the door for Izlam to join with the Catholic religion...All they have to do is claim to follow the moral teachings of Jesus the Prophet and get baptized...Presto-chango...They are now Muzlim Catholics/Christians...

And this goes for anyone...Just believe in baptism and you will be in the body of Christ...Deception at it's finest...

29 posted on 05/27/2009 10:10:27 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
This demonic teaching opens the door for Izlam to join with the Catholic religion...All they have to do is claim to follow the moral teachings of Jesus the Prophet and get baptized...Presto-chango...They are now Muzlim Catholics/Christians...

This is your imagination, not any Catholic teaching/doctrine/act.

37 posted on 05/27/2009 10:26:38 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool
In order to be baptized belief in Jesus is required. The mere pouring of water is only an outward sign of what should be an internal commitment. This is Catholic teaching. It is no different than the Baptist tradition but differs on the requirement of full immersion.Infant baptism is practiced but Catholics periodically renew their baptismal vows in a separate ceremony throughout their adulthood.I don't believe Gonzo is correct and he is misstating the Catholic belief.Trust me I have 12 years of Catholic education.
55 posted on 05/27/2009 10:45:35 AM PDT by WilliamPatrick
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To: Iscool

Exactly.


102 posted on 05/27/2009 1:42:47 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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