Rev. Cutié takes his toys and goes home (with a warning to the future Mrs. Cutie)

Inside Catholic ^ | May 29, 2009 | Brian Saint-Paul

[bronxville]

“No ... I just refuse to condemn the guy because of his failure, as some seem to be doing on this thread.”

I just read the posts and think you missed the point which I took as - why didn’t he leave the priesthood and marry her - rather than ditching his religion to become an Anglican pastor? In other words, he wasn’t a strong Catholic to begin with...if he was he would’ve done the former. IMO, that’s a reasonable conclusion.

[WilliamPatrick]

My only comment is that it is a tragedy that so many good men have had to leave the priesthood because they wanted to marry. So many of these individuals would have been a tremendous asset to the church. But because of antiquated thinking they were forced to leave while the ranks of the clergy were allowed to be filled by so many homosexuals who were pedophiles that have brought the church to its knees financially and spiritually thus driving away millions of Catholics who no longer have confidence in their clergy. That is sad and all of these problems can be laid at the door of priestly celibacy. It made the clergy a hideout for misfits. And now we are paying the price.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Yet his church will allow an Episcopalian Priest to convert to Catholicism and stay married.

Said convert must agree, prior to ordination, to adopt the discipline of celibacy if his spouse precedes him in death. No agreement, no ordination. You also fail to mention that said convert has an extremely limited career path ahead of him as a Catholic Priest and that ordination for converts is not automatic and in the grand scheme of things is extremely rare. Pope John Paul II in issuing his Pastoral Provision in 1980 made the decision to allow some Anglican Priests who had come to the realization that the fullness of the deposit of faith existed in the Catholic Church and not the Anglican, to convert, seek ordination and remain married. By the way, 21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church ordain, as a norm, married men. Cutie could have changed Rites prior to entering the seminary but he didn't. Your defense of him is rooted in ignorance.

No, he did not give up his faith.

Yes, he did. Your claim that he didn't shows how little you know about the Priesthood in the Catholic Church.

He did the next best thing he could do.

Wrong. If Cutie had even a scintilla of integrity he would have requested to be dismissed from the clerical state and waited for that to occur before pictures of him and this bimbo rolling around on the beach together were published in the paper. He's a phony who got caught and had said pictures not been published he'd still be perpetrating the fraud that his "vocation" has been.

To say that he ran away from his faith his(sic) slanderous and you are completely wrong.

Your claim is further indication of your ignorance.

Cutie had six years in a seminary to discern if he had the ability to live the life of a celibate. As more information comes to light about this clown, it's apparent that he's been a fraud for a very long time.

[A.A. Cunningham]

By Catholic Church rule called the Pauline privilege

Incorrect. It's called the Pastoral Provision for Anglican converts and a dispensation from the discipline of celibacy for other Protestant converts who are married and ordained.

The Catholic Church recognizes the priesthood of the Episcopalian church because their priests have valid holy orders that were bestowed upon them dating back to the time of Henry the VIII.

Wrong again. If the Church recognized their ordinations as Anglicans as valid, they would not have to receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders to become Catholic Priests.

the validity of Episcopalian priests was carried forward to present time.

Incorrect.

[A.A. Cunningham]

You've got a long documented track record of taking Scripture out of context.

I'll bet you find the controlling of your libido to be a nuisance as well.

[PanzerKardinal]

I will pray for them.
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The Anglican Church - Founded on sexual license. Destoryed by sexual license.

[A.A. Cunningham]

For over 1,000 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus celibacy was not a requirement.

You really shouldn't be publicly flaunting your ignorance.

Tell us what lex continentiae means?

I must say your lack of a compassionate attitude towards this man strikes me as being almost sinful and certainly not very Christian.

Sounds like you've appointed yourself as judge and jury. Not very Christian of you.

[A.A. Cunningham]

What evidence do you have that Dave Stone has remained a Catholic?

[A.A. Cunningham]

but I happen to be a Catholic.

Irrelevant. Pelosi claims to be a Catholic too.

If what you say is true, you are a very poorly catechized Catholic.

[WilliamPatrick]

Your comment about his giving up his faith is false. He is still a Christian. Christianity is his faith. Catholicism was his denomination. For you to judge him so harshly is sad.Unfortunately there is little christian charity among ranks of the dogmatic.

[Unam Sanctam]

No, the problem is not priestly celibacy, but lax discipline of priests and insufficient vetting of applicants for the priesthood. Both of those things were primarily a function of the generally morally lax attitudes of the Sixties and Seventies after the Council, and both of those things have been tightened up in recent years. I believe clerical celibacy is a great gift to the Church and it would be a tragedy to eliminate it. Celibate priesthood is a vocation requiring total commitment to God and the Church, and not divided commitment to both God and one’s wife and family. If some fall and don’t wish to continue in the clerical state, they can request laicization. The solution to human imperfection in meeting high ideals is not to eliminate the ideals, but to be merciful with those who fall short. I completely disagree with your analysis.

[red irish]

Life is a challenge. Many people in different circumstances are in the situation of being celibate. We have become a country where are sexuality is the core of our being. A spouse who has a sick husband or wife may have to become celibate. But that person could also live up to their vows to God and care for their spouse. Men and women who are married to people in the military have to go some time without sex due to going away for combat or service to another country. Should these people because of their situation,since they cannot contain themselves go and have sex elsewhere? I know of a woman who is disable and her husband has been loving and faithful but for reason that of course are private they can’t be intimate. Men who are in wheelchairs and have or who are impotent,what should their wives do? Leave them,have affairs? The priest broke his sacred vows to his God and his faith,it takes a long time to become a priest. And he has been having an affair for a long time.What action did he take to draw away from the occasion of sin? But not only does he breaks his vow but then leaves his church.And now this woman is going to trust him? I think this woman had better be sure she wants this man above all else because if something happens,accident or sickness overtakes her,will he be loyal? I would run,run,run.

[WilliamPatrick]

And perhaps you have been excessively catechized. Kind of like the pharisees maybe?

[A.A. Cunningham]

It would result in more Catholics being willing to choose to be priests.

If that were true then the 21 Churches in the Eastern Rites wouldn't be experiencing a shortage of Priests. Same for the Greek Orthodox. Your argument is, at best, a specious one.

It is also not as if Catholic preists(sic) were never allowed to marry.

Urban legend. Married men were indeed ordained and were required to adopt the discipline of lex continentiae; total continence. Once ordained, a single Priest was not allowed to marry. The fact that some violated their vows and married does not change the actual history of the discipline.

[Campion]

Show me a single instance where a married Anglican priest was ever rejected by Rome if he wanted to convert and stay married.

As I think I explained, he can always convert and stay married. What he can't do is then seek ordination to the priesthood, without special permission.

The "Pastoral Provision" has only existed since 1980. Before then, no married Anglican clergy who converted were permitted to be ordained to the priesthood. Since then, some of them are.

For over 1,000 years the Catholic Church permitted the married priesthood but when the married priest started leaving Church lands to their families ,the church came up with celibacy.

Sorry, but that is a myth. Google "Council of Elvira" for starters.

And guess what this pronouncement does not fall under the so called infallible teaching.

Wrong again.

I seem to detect a great deal of religious intolerance on the part of some who set themselves up as defenders of archaic practices such as priestly celibacy.

"Religious intolerance"? I don't see much evidence of "tolerance" in your posts; they seem to be full of condemnation of Catholic belief and practice.

Are you one of those "tolerance is a one-way street" folks?

[WilliamPatrick]

No one is talking about eliminating celibacy. Just making it optional as in the Orthodox Church. Most of the apostles and early church farthers were married. Did you know that?

[A.A. Cunningham]

Some Catholic you are. You've provided further evidence of your poor catechesis.

Christ established one Church, the Catholic Church.

Men, much like Cutie, created numerous denominations to suit their liking. Perhaps you should follow Cutie out the door.

Unfortunately there is little christian charity among ranks of the dogmatic.

Better brush up on your study of Scripture.

"And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us." 2 Thessalonians 3:6

[Unam Sanctam]

What evidence do you have that Dave Stone has remained a Catholic?

I don't have any, but I also have no evidence that he hasn't. I haven't seen him do a public press conference with an Episcopal bishop and his bride to be, as did Rev. Cutie.

[rollo tomasi]

Wonder what this Cutié character take on Papal authority is now? Is he denouncing the line of Peter?

Seems he just converted for the poontang and to maintain a position of “religious” authority/job. I can see why the RCCers, who actually take their faith seriously, have a problem with this.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Most of the apostles and early church farthers were married.

Incorrect. We only know for certain that St. Peter was married, at one time. To claim that most of the other Apostles were constitutes bearing false witness. You know how un-Christian it is to be bearing false witness? Tsk, Tsk.