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To: Dutchboy88
That is a very clear explanation of Calvinism, but you did not really address the question of why the scripture says what is says. You started by saying that the ethical teaching is there to prove to us our depravity, but then you said:

I should cling to God

Where did the monergism go? That is the crux of the matter is it not? Why does the Scripture spend so much effort in teaching you how to cling to God if it is God monergetically working in you?

344 posted on 07/08/2009 10:38:01 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg

It is monergistically not monergetically. And, as I said, the effort I should exert is, according to the Scriptures, itself initiated by God. In your paradigm, this is your part of the agreement. Ergo...synergism. You must work together with God to effect the result of grace. Traditional believers in Christ see Christ working in us, alone. And when He lays hold of you (like He did Paul), you cannot stop Him changing your heart and dragging you into His kingdom. Even the effort we exert is a gift of grace, not as a result of works, lest any man should boast. Eph. 2. Now that is Good News!

Several posts ago, you asked “What is semi-Pelagianism?” It is what your organization teaches: There remains an island of goodness inside of lost humans such that the common grace of God has done enough that they may, on their own, recognize what they have done and turn to God in repentence. This is semi-Pelagiansim. That is why you think you can do anything on your own. It is rampant in many evangelical circles as well as your organization. It is not the Gospel. It is Catholicism and Evangelicalism. You folks are not far apart. But, it is a heresy from hell.

So, there is one of the great differences, annalex. Your organization teaches that man has a “free will” sufficiently graced to make it guilty for rejecting salvation made available to everyone. We see no such offer in the Scriptures: I chose you, you did not choose me, Jesus said. There is no one who has sought God, no, not one. Paul and John wrote. And John told us that Jesus said, “No man can come to the Father unless He draws Him. And every man you have given me I have rescued.”

But, your group claims it should create and administer the list of “efforts” or “works” that are appropriate unto salvation; we see that the Spirit encouraging us from the Scriptures is the only authority. You admire an organization that is a pretender to a throne it claims exists by its own authority. Your organization likes the feeling of its own power and its ability to inflict responsibility on those outside its boundaries. Those of us that reject such fictitious claims see the Bible’s message as more than adequate for explaining the truth.


345 posted on 07/08/2009 1:23:17 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: annalex

And, I can tell from your abbreviated remarks, you don’t read my posts. But, such is what God has given you.


346 posted on 07/08/2009 1:51:45 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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