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To: T Minus Four

Thanks for the explanation. I suppose we must simply ignore Mary’s remark in Luke 1:47 that her spirit rejoiced in God her “Savior”. Whereas a normal, mortal woman would need a Savior just like everyone else, Mary has been idolized so much by the Catholics that, rather than “favored”, she now conducts operations on the earth, works in men’s hearts, and performs spiritual duties like the Spirit of God. Sounds blasphemous.


35 posted on 06/17/2009 11:30:31 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Of course Mary needed a saviour. But the manner in which God saved Mary was singular and designed so that the new Ark of the Covenant would be spotless for God the Son.

I don't go around trashing Evangelicals' beliefs, especially if I don't know what I'm talking about. At least get your theology straight if you want to criticize it.

37 posted on 06/17/2009 11:41:06 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Dutchboy88; T Minus Four

Just so that you know:

- That Christ preexisted Mary His Mother, as well as all Creation is Catholic teaching, alongside the fact the she is Mother of God. “Through him all things were made”.

- That Christ is also Mary’s Savior, to Whom she owes here blessed state is Catholic teaching.


38 posted on 06/17/2009 11:45:59 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Dutchboy88

“My theology is straight from the Book. The RCs have mixed the traditions of men (such as revering Mary and praying to her, like this guy did) and claiming all of this is somehow Christianity. Piffle (I love that word).”

“Mary has been idolized so much by the Catholics that, rather than “favored”, she now conducts operations on the earth, works in men’s hearts, and performs spiritual duties like the Spirit of God. Sounds blasphemous.”

Holy Mary has not just been honored by Catholics - you should read your early reformers had to say about her.

So, we have mixed up traditions? I suggest you read your early church leaders...Luther, Zwingli, Wesley, nor Bullinger et al, changed the “traditions” of the Blessed Mother of God. So who did?

Martin Luther, the founder of the reform said this:

“St. Paul says ‘God sent his Son born of a woman, These words which I hold for true, really sustain quite firmly that Mary is the Mother of God.” (Martin Luther, Martin Luther’s Works, vol 7, pg 592)

This doesn’t mean that Mary’s title “Mother of God” infers that she existed before God. Jesus is present from the beginning of time. “In the Beginning was the Word” (Jn 1.1). In the Old Testament, Jesus was the “rock in the dessert” (Exo 17:6, 1 Cor 10:4).


48 posted on 06/17/2009 12:53:43 PM PDT by bronxville
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