Posted on 06/27/2009 10:33:55 PM PDT by bdeaner
You just don’t have that kind of power (to change what Christ has done).
Thanks.
Thankfully, I’ve met many RC’s who are reasonable, sane folks who by all evidence Love God above all else. I expect to see them in Heaven, too.
No was was Christ . . . so chronically fiercely hostile to the political, bureaucratic, haughty, self-righteous, pontifical, !!!!TRADITION!!!!-bound, authoritarian-to-the-max, . . . RELIGIONISTS of 2,000 years ago
remotely interested
in setting up another such organization/operation.
Sadly, it seems to be human nature in groups—and all the more so in RELIGIOUS groups of all stripes—particularly those the least bit authoritarian.
Have you read THE SHACK? or Wayne Jacobsen’s HE LOVES ME?
I think they make excellent points about relating to The God of The Bible.
I have a dear friend I helped lead into a fuller walk in Holy Spirit 30+ years ago . . . an engineer . . . he sent me emails about how THE SHACK is supposed to be full of demonic heresy. Turns out, he hasn’t read it! LOL. I told him last night that sometimes he’s far too prissy for his own good.
It is sooooo human and soooo easy to imagine that we CAN put GOD ALMIGHTY in some tidy little box. What arrogance.
Certainly He is within His Nature . . . and He is NOT nonsense. However, He’ll never fit within any human tidy little box regardless of how “Biblical” folks think it is.
Anyway—I was blessed by your reasonableness. Tends to be a rarity on these threads.
God’s best to you and yours.
Very well put.
I’ve come to be INCREASINGLY convinced with every such thread I read . . .
Whether Protty or RC,
folks who have suffered REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER
as I have . . .
seem to be AT GREATLY INCREASED RISK of
becoming INTENSELY addicted to a mind-set and construction on reality—particularly RELIGION-WISE—which is
—authoritarian
—narrow—hyper narrow in some respects—particularly in terms of IN-GROUP/OUT-GROUP dynamics, constructions on reality and sensibilities
—haughty
—self-righteous
—addicted to !!!!TRADITION!!!! as an added illusion of enhanced security
—increasingly fiercely bitter, resentful, hostile, wary, assaultive . . . toward those not in their little group—usually even toward others in the larger organization not members of their congregation or even of their little clique within their congregation . . .
—VERY given to notions and practices of “earning one’s salvation” . . .
—extremely elaborate, nuanced, prissy, exacting rituals, customs, habits, ‘in-things’ to be TRULY most TRULY “RIGHTEOUS” . . .
—ritualized, formula-ized prayers . . . transforming God into a vending machine for the truly truly truly in-group . . .
—that Christ’s Death and Resurrection was somehow insufficient without all the organizationally supported, sanctioned, herded hoopla . . .
. . .
INDEED.
As is true of all “Christian” and Christian groups . . .
The Vatican/RC edifice
is a mixture . . . too often a frightful mixture
of truth, hideous error, deadly !!!!TRADITION!!! etc. etc. etc.
Too often, that mixture is seductively deadly . . .
No one has the power to countermand Christ
nor to countermand Scripture
nor to make of a political, bureaucratic, pile of stinking human power mongering
anything the least bit pure . . . whether as the Vatican/RC edifice or any other.
Yes. I just said that.
Christ founded the Catholic Church circa AD 33 and no one has the power to countermand that.
Deuteronmy 4:19 & Malachi 1:11.
“Christ founded the Catholic Church circa AD 33 and no one has the power to countermand that. “
Oy Vey
Please show me where Jesus said “ I created the Catholic Church”, he did not. It is nothing but pride to assume so.
And it doesn’t matter because it saves not one soul to argue that. Jesus saves, anything that gets in the way should be removed.
Most Christians would agree with the above title. However, a lot of Christian will disagree on what constitutes “THE CHURCH”.
Please show me "sola Scriptura" in Scripture.
Please show me where Jesus referred to "the Trinity."
So you are denying Jesus is the son of God?
Yes it did...It dropped right out of heaven...The fact that your religion edited it and created it's own version of the scriptures means absolutely nothing...
No, quite the opposite. The failure of Christ to use the words you demand or I demand does not make a thing false.
Serious errors result when the God-given gifts of logic and reason--discernment--are rebuked and abandoned.
And that is the Catholic religion...Out of Rome...The persecutions were done by Romans...And it's conglomeration of pagan and quasi-religous zealots who worshipped the queen of heaven which is still being worshipped today...Your religion is not the religion of the Apostles...
(cf. Galatians 1:6-9). If the Bible were the Christian's only rule of faith, and since the Bible was not fully wirtten--much less settled in terms of its canon--until 65 years after Christ's Ascension, how did the early Chruch possibly deal with doctrinal questions without an authority on how to proceed?
So you claim that God was with his church always but yet He let them wander in the wilderness for 400 years til He summoned your Roman religion to come up with doctrine???
400 years of dying, ignorant Christians who had no doctrine...No Holy Spirit to lead...No scripture to rely on...
I can't imagine how intelligent people can fall for a fairy tale like that...
Rome teaches that if a man doesn't accept the Roman Catholic church before his death, he will afterward. They are adept at double-speak.
Read POST #9...
"The Catholic Church is "the single and exclusive channel by which the truth and grace of Christ enter our world of space and time" (Karl Adam, The Spirit of Catholicism, 179). Those who do not know the Church, even those who fight against it, can receive these gifts if they honestly seek God and his truth. But, Adam says, "though it be not the Catholic Church itself that hands them the bread of truth and grace, yet it is Catholic bread that they eat." And when they eat of it, "without knowing it or willing it" they are "incorporated in the supernatural substance of the Church."
This sinister and destructive error presumes Christ's church is seated in Rome . As the Westminster Confession of Faith reminds us (with Scriptural proofs at the site), this is not how it works...
II. The visible Church, which is also catholic or universal under the Gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion;[2] and of their children:[3] and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ,[4] the house and family of God,[5] out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation.[6] III. Unto this catholic visible Church Christ has given the ministry, oracles, and ordinances of God, for the gathering and perfecting of the saints, in this life, to the end of the world: and does, by His own presence and Spirit, according to His promise, make them effectual thereunto.[7] IV. This catholic Church has been sometimes more, sometimes less visible.[8] And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the Gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.[9] V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error;[10] and some have so degenerated, as to become no Churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan.[11] Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth to worship God according to His will.[12] VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ.[13] Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.[14]I. The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of Him that fills all in all.[1]
Number VI. has been removed in later versions of this 1646 version. Time will tell how prudent that move was.
You got it right the first time, Mel. Ping to post 97...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2281019/posts?page=97#97
Confabulating facts into a mangled mess
is not overly admirable . . . whether done by a RAD Vatican/RC rep or a Protty.
INDEED.
Don’t you just love the deep groove around this mountain!
LOL.
/S
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