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50 Reasons Why We Are Living In The End Times: Part 1
Lamb and Lion Ministries Blog ^ | 13 JULY 2009 | Dr. David R. Reagan

Posted on 07/25/2009 2:40:04 AM PDT by Quix

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To: raynearhood; Quix; Lee N. Field; Alex Murphy; Frumanchu; Dr. Eckleburg
“Dispensational truth” has supposedly provided a hermeneutical key to unlock prophetic interpretive mysteries in a literal way. It is interesting that “dispensational truth” had its beginning in the early nineteenth century along with a number of other heresies. Since the turn of the century dispensationalism has far exceeded the Jehovah's Witnesses in false prophetic predictions. There is no denying that these predictions cause great emotional excitement among dispensationalists. This writer, formerly a dispensationalist was oftentimes thrilled hearing about the predictions of the pre-tribulation rapture that was to take place in 1981. In reality, the excitement or thrill experienced when gaining a dispensational understanding of prophecy is more reminiscent of Gnosticism's concealed or secret knowledge (only possessed by those initiated into the deeper mysteries or dispensation truth) than a correct knowledge of the Bible. Those who live in glass houses should not cast stones, lest their own house shatters.

Dispensationalism's Eschatological Dilemma by Jack Kettler


51 posted on 07/25/2009 7:09:39 PM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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To: raynearhood

Clearly

a number of folks hereon do

NOT have PhD’s in psychology.

That MAY make it MORE difficult for them to realize that

. . . for example . . .

—even drunks can feed their faces at least part of the time;
—even blind folks can find the bathroom;
—even some moderate DIMRATS can occasionally vote sanely;
—even some orthodox traditionalists can have a Salvation experience with Jesus Christ;
—even some Calvinists can realize these are the END TIMES;
—even some Cathedrals can be visited by Holy Spirit;
—even some atheists sometimes find Christ

and

—even some off the wall denominations get some things right.

I wonder . . . is it less likely that a Calvinist denomination would get some things right

or less likely that a JW would get some things right.

Interesting question.


52 posted on 07/25/2009 7:36:01 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Welllllllllll, Dear Heart,

When one grasps so vainly and uselessly at straws . . . before long . . .

one doesn’t even realize that one has been grasping at . . . uhhhh

‘bovine processed straw’

pretending it was choice unchewed clover.


53 posted on 07/25/2009 7:38:01 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: topcat54

That pile of lies has been refuted hereon multiple times with historical documentation.

Interesting that some folks still pretend it’s true.

So much for uhhhhh . . .

historically accurate as well as

Biblically accurate posting

from some camps.


54 posted on 07/25/2009 7:40:18 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

To read later.


55 posted on 07/25/2009 7:42:15 PM PDT by Shire
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To: topcat54

Nothing in dispensationalism predicts the Rapture in 1981, however, Reformed Covenant Theology misses the boat completely in falsely declaring all prophecy of the Great Tribulation was fulfilled in 70AD.


56 posted on 07/25/2009 7:43:05 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Shire

Thanks for your kind reply.


57 posted on 07/25/2009 7:44:06 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
So I take it your a preterits too? That is what I was commenting about their little snyping remarks. No bullbutter is not BS
58 posted on 07/25/2009 7:44:40 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Warning: Some words may be misspelled/ You will get over it / Klingon is my 1st language)
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To: Cvengr

INDEED.

They seem to soooooo

COMPULSIVELY

throw the baby (truth) out with the bath . . . one would almost wonder if they hate babies (truth) in general.


59 posted on 07/25/2009 7:45:02 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: guitarplayer1953

You MUST

KNOW BETTER THAN THAT!

I’m a full fledged Dispy!

Mostly a Pre-Trib Dispy at that.

. . . though I don’t really think anyone has THAT all figured out.

I was mostly spring boarding off your post with my own metaphor for the fun of it.


60 posted on 07/25/2009 7:46:48 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: guitarplayer1953; Quix; topcat54; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
WHAT A BUCKET OF BULLBUTTER

The same sort of reasoned response, addressing points raised, that we've come to expect.

Bad eschatology has consequences.

61 posted on 07/25/2009 7:48:26 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("How can there be peace when the sorceries and whordoms of your mother TBN/Rome are so many?")
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To: Lee N. Field

Sometimes

when one mucks about with

REPLACEMENTARIANS, PRETERISTS, A-MILS, POST-MILS AND RUN-OF-THE-MILS

on a thread . . .

one has to get one’s hip waders on just for survival’s sake.

It’s pretty routine to then have to muck about in the rain soaked hog-wallow trying to lead some of the little piglets to the dry ground of eschatological sanity and Biblical accuracy.

Sometimes calling hogwash hogwash in the process helps clarity.


62 posted on 07/25/2009 7:52:39 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: raynearhood

Yeah, but the JW’s believe Jesus appeared in 1914. That’s the one they run from most.

Walter Martin was a post-tribber. He and Hal Lindsey got along fine. Lindsey spoke very highly of him several times on his radio show.


63 posted on 07/25/2009 7:57:31 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Lee N. Field
Ask any Preterits about bad eschatology.

and talk about reasoned pretexts put-forth.

***hint: it ain't us "preterist, amil, 'replacementarian'" types that have eschatological beliefs nearly lock step with heretic religions.... I'm just saying.

64 posted on 07/25/2009 8:01:00 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Warning: Some words may be misspelled/ You will get over it / Klingon is my 1st language)
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To: Luke21

Thanks.

I’d forgotten that . . . I think I knew it once upon a time. LOL.


65 posted on 07/25/2009 8:04:02 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Always glad to be of service.


66 posted on 07/25/2009 8:04:56 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: guitarplayer1953

I wonder how high on the

SCALE OF DESPERATION

it would register

when folks are left with

vain, inaccurate, shoe-horned, off the wall

‘guilt by convoluted association’

was their best argument????


67 posted on 07/25/2009 8:05:52 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

That tends to be the case, I’ve been accused of being gnostic, a closet JW, a closet Adventist, and all kinds of stuff for believing in a pre-trib rapture. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, and I don’t call anyone names or try to link them with discredited faiths or theories.

But something about the rapture really ticks some of our brethren off, and makes them behave rhetorically much like our liberal political opponents. Wailing and gnashing of teeth.


68 posted on 07/25/2009 8:09:54 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Quix
Crealry
a numbel of forks heleon do
NOT have PhD’s in psychorogy.


69 posted on 07/25/2009 8:11:44 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("How can there be peace when the sorceries and whordoms of your mother TBN/Rome are so many?")
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To: Luke21

I’ve noticed that, too.

What do you think is the root of that phenomenon?

Certain . . . Asian governments are moderately reasonable toward most sorts of Christians

AS LONG AS

THE CHRISTIANS DO NOT PREACH THE 2ND COMING; MIRACLES ETC.

THEN THEY GET VERY HARSH AND PUNITIVE.

Their attitudes of derisiveness seem to be almost identical to that of the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al hereon.

Curious.


70 posted on 07/25/2009 8:18:42 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lee N. Field

I didn’t know you could draw in tongues!

When did you become Pentecostal?


71 posted on 07/25/2009 8:19:27 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lee N. Field

I assume someone from your group will be coming forward with the interpretation since I’m sure no one would

draw in tongues knowing there was no interpretation available . . . violating I Cor 12-14.

tee hee.


72 posted on 07/25/2009 8:20:53 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Right up there at the top I'd say and there are quite a few contortionist around.
73 posted on 07/25/2009 8:22:57 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Warning: Some words may be misspelled/ You will get over it / Klingon is my 1st language)
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To: guitarplayer1953

LOL.

So it seems.


74 posted on 07/25/2009 8:25:12 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: All

Does anyone see the probable Israeli attack on Iran as the trigger to the beginning of the end? IE the tribulation? Gog/MaGog?


75 posted on 07/25/2009 8:33:49 PM PDT by wolfman
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To: wolfman

More than a little plausible.


76 posted on 07/25/2009 8:35:00 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

27) Computer technology. (Revelation 13:7)

Huh?


77 posted on 07/25/2009 8:35:50 PM PDT by asformeandformyhouse (I've been listening to a lot of rap music lately. Mostly at red lights and stop signs.)
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To: All

All reasons begin and end with one word, Obama.


78 posted on 07/25/2009 8:36:02 PM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: asformeandformyhouse

I’d want to examine all the translations . . .

but it seems a bit of a stretch, to me.

There must be some extrapolation construing “power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations . . . “ to somehow involve computers.

It’s quite plausible that it does. But that’s not per se clear in the text by quite a margin.

imho.


79 posted on 07/25/2009 8:42:34 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

The Alien - Nephilim Connection

Having been a lurker on this site for a couple of years, I have seen quite a few threads espousing this theory that aliens are the Nephilim that the Bible speaks of. I have not, however, come across anyone who had this opinion that also backed it up with evidence. So I ask those of you who hold this belief, to tell me why you hold this belief? What intelligent evidence has brought you to this idea that aliens and demons and the Nephilim are one and the same?

As a student of comparative religion, mythology and anthropolgy, I have my own ideas on this, and I can safely say that they do not coincide with this theory. So, I’m asking you to tell me why you think this is the case.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread480550/pg1

= = =


80 posted on 07/25/2009 9:06:33 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: newnhdad

OThuga is just a bit player dancing well on the stage at the end of the oligarchy’s strings.

He’s doing a grand job of destroying the Republic per his orders.


81 posted on 07/25/2009 9:07:29 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wolfcreek
There's an old saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. I don't think that's true. There are things happening today that have never happened before. My grandfather was thirteen years old when the Wright Brothers flew the first plane. He watched Neil Armstrong step on the moon.

World War II was the last war where the armies could throw everything at one another without destroying the world.

I remember seeing a television program, many years ago, where a newsman was standing in front of a live feed of images of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans on a split screen. He noted that it was the first time in history that people had seen the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans at the same time.

In the 1700s, a fast voyage across the Atlantic Ocean was a month. A normal voyage was longer. That meant it took nearly three months to send a message from the US to Britain and get a reply.

When I was a child, I had an uncle that drove an eighteen wheeler. He would leave and be gone for a couple of weeks. Long distance was so expensive that he couldn't call. Today, if you can't contact a family member in five or six minutes, you start getting worried.

There used to be frontiers never seen by man. With global satellites today, the idea of an unknown island is laughable. I was thinking about this as I went jogging a few days ago. An application on my cell phone, Runkeeper, uses the GPS on my iPhone and tracks my mileage. I looked up in the sky, and somewhere, out of my sight, a satellite was tracking me and could tell if I was moving five feet in any direction.

Ten years ago, Pat Robertson was talking about a trip he made to Africa. He was going deep into the wild country to visit some missionaries. He said they stopped at a small town, about fifty miles from the nearest paved road. There was a small building there that served as a hotel. They took Mastercard, and verified his card.

To a man living in the first century, the idea of not being able to buy or sell without a mark and the one world government seemed like mad ramblings. Today, we're hurtling towards it.

These are indeed different times than have ever been before.

82 posted on 07/25/2009 9:45:31 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Excellent post.

Thanks.


83 posted on 07/25/2009 9:55:10 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lee N. Field; topcat54
The same sort of reasoned response, addressing points raised, that we've come to expect.

In the war of eschatalogical ideas, Scofield/Chafer/Lindsey-style dispensationalists are determined to be pacifists.

84 posted on 07/25/2009 11:00:11 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I always longed for repose and quiet" - John Calvin)
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To: Quix
Now that post gave me a spontaneous gut laugh!
85 posted on 07/26/2009 1:24:56 AM PDT by Semper Mark (Third World trickle up poverty, will lead to cascading Third World tyranny.)
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To: Quix
“Will things be returned to an agrarian era or continue on with technology after Armageddon?”

There's reason to believe there were advanced civilizations on this planet long ago who either by fault of their own or because of an act of God, no longer exist, most traces forever lost.

Did they have compassion for their fellow man? Were they peaceful, forgiving, loving or were they absorbed with the desire for material objects and lust for dominion over their environment?

It would be really nice to have that blueprint to follow but, the best we have is the written word of God and our faith to lead us forward.

87 posted on 07/26/2009 6:22:44 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: Quix

Both very sobering. Here’s an excerpt:

4. Think things through, budget, and patiently pursue your objectives.

It is impossible to light a fire under some people. Others, however, react rashly when they finally get motivated to prepare for the future. They spend money like drunken sailors, spin in circles, and appear desperate and chaotic.

Don’t fall into this trap. Be deliberate and methodical. Obtain the knowledge you need as inexpensively as possible; from whatever resources you can tap into. The Internet, for example, is full of free ideas, reviews of ideas, and products. Your friends can be fountains of wisdom as well. You must still take risks and make mistakes, but they won’t be wasted, and will hopefully be less costly.

In planning, prepare from your center of greatest strength outwards. Rather than predict the migratory effects of WWIII on the American populace, start, perhaps, with where you are right now. Is your family and home (or apartment) reasonably prepared for a lengthy power outage or basic natural disaster? Do you have enough water and food to make it a few weeks, or will you run to the nearest shelter and yell, “Help!” from your lawn chair to passing camera crews?

Once your home front is solid, slowly work outward to external, potential resources you might be able to access in times of need. Not all emergencies will occur while we are sleeping in our homes. What can you reasonably store in your car for an emergency, for example? Some walking shoes, water, maps, cash, food, wet-weather gear, gloves, tools, lighter, first aid kit, dust mask, etc.? Continue working outward from there to other areas, states, and even countries.


88 posted on 07/26/2009 6:31:57 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Thanks for a thoroughly untrue assertion about the Dispy perspective.

It’s very very gratifying when REPLACEMENTARIANS et al

misconsrue, misstate, the Dispy stance by at least a galactic cluster’s worth of distance.


89 posted on 07/26/2009 6:37:45 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Markos33

Thanks.

Sometimes, I achieve my goal.

Besides, chemistry was never anything close to a strong point of mine. LOL.


90 posted on 07/26/2009 6:38:50 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wolfcreek

Much agree.

Evidently the advanced civilization in the Indus valley region of India a very long time ago had atomic weapons as well as UFO type flying craft.


92 posted on 07/26/2009 6:41:52 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Joya

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


93 posted on 07/26/2009 6:43:14 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wolfman

Prophetic and other sources have predicted that

—Israel attacking Iran would trigger WWIII;

—WWIII would begin with N Korea attacking the USA with missiles, Russia and China attacking on the East and West coasts of the US respectively . . . with missiles from subs, at least . . . possibly after some major disasters and terrorist attacks had already weakened us—the latter, of course scheduled by OThuga’s puppet masters . . .

Time will tell.


94 posted on 07/26/2009 7:05:26 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Alamo-Girl; airborne; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; backhoe; backslacker; ...
FROM:

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/reasons/rapture.htm

Qx: This seems like one of the better presentations in behalf of PRE-TRIB RAPTURE:

Proofs for pretribulation rapture theology

By Don Koenig

Does the Bible teach that the Church will be supernaturally removed (rapture)? Will the Church escape the tribulation? Is the rapture pretribulation pre-wrath, or post tribulation?

The best way to find out the truth is to correctly interpret God's word. In some cases this is easier said than done. Finding and correlating deep truths in some scriptures can be like mining for gold. It is hard work but it sure is worthwhile when you sift out a few nuggets. I expect God wanted it that way so that some things would be hidden from the adversary. The parables are prime examples of how Jesus gave truth to the children of the promise but the sons of darkness could not understand what He was talking about. Some of God's truths take scholarship and enlightenment by the Holy Spirit. Sometimes there may be more than one level of truth in a passage with insights that are revealed in time by the Holy Spirit as He deems appropriate. This is apparently the case with the truth about the rapture of the faithful Church.

Some teachers are blind about the rapture and Bible prophecy.

There are many theologians in some of the denominations who do not see that we are in the prophetic years because they allegorize or spiritualize all scripture dealing with the end times and the restoration of Israel. Unless there is clear indication for allegory, even common sense dictates that scripture writings should be taken in a literal sense. By allegorizing prophetic scripture these theologians can make it say just about anything they want. By applying the promises of God for Israel to the Church, they can do away with any literal fulfillment on earth. Scholars such as these really need to review why it is that they use human rationalization to distort the plain teaching of God's word.

I believe they do this either in ignorance due to their seminary training or because they do not wish to believe what God said about a literal fulfillment that includes a final world-wide judgment and thousand-year reign of Christ on earth from Jerusalem. They do not understand that the body of Jesus rose very early on the third day and that the body of Christ (the Church) will also rise very early on her third day - a day with the Lord is as a thousand years (2 Pe 3:8).

Liberty taking with the literal interpretation of prophetic scriptures in the past was not as critical a problem to the Church as it is today. In the past the Church in general had less knowledge of the scriptures and the Church was not near the prophetic years. Today, there is widespread access of scripture in the Church, so we do not have that excuse. In addition,
there is more danger in applying scriptures meant for Israel to the Church. The theology that the Jews killed Christ and that God has cursed the descendants of Israel and given her promises to the Christian Church in recent times opened the door for the Jewish holocaust under Hitler. Those in replacement theology today may be opening a new door for the predicted worldwide holocaust against the Jews under the Beast Antichrist.

The Church is the body of Christ and is the firstborn into the promise of a new covenant. The Gentiles were grafted into that promise and that covenant because most of Israel rejected their Messiah and the natural branches were broken off so that wild branches could be grafted in (Gentiles). However, that promise and covenant was actually given to the house of Jacob and Judah
without any conditions (Jer 31:31). When the nation of Israel acknowledges its offense, all in Israel who call on the name of the Lord will be grafted back in and receive their new covenant promise.

When the Father determines that the time has come, He will remove the faithful Church to heaven where she will become one with His Son. The earth at that time will be cleansed of evil doers prior to the return of Jesus in glory with His bride. At that time, He will set up the promised thousand-year reign on earth ruled from Jerusalem. When this occurs the promise of a new covenant to Israel will be fulfilled as the prophet Joel foretold.

Joe: 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Is pretribulation rapture theology a new Church doctrine?

Some say there is no rapture of the Church prior to the tribulation and point out that it was not even taught to the Church until the 1800's.

In Grant Jeffrey's book "Triumphant Return", he writes that about 373 AD Ephraem taught in a sermon that there was a pre-tribulation rapture. This writing can be found in Ephraem's sermon "On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World.", Ephraem said in this sermon, "For the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins".

Ephraem also taught in this same sermon that the war of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38-39 would precede the tribulation and he taught the imminent return of Jesus.

Is the pretribulation rapture secret?

The rapture will not be secret. In fact the world has been informed that it will happen through many popular writings like the "Left Behind" series. The rapture event itself will be known to all who will witness the missing people. The "New Age" pagans have even pre-prepared explanations for the rapture in some of their writings.

Is their a pretribulation rapture?

In the rapture, the true Church of God is removed so they will not go through the trial that will come upon all the earth to try men's souls (they have no need to). Christ does not come back to take possession of the earth at that time. The rapture is just another phase of the first Resurrection that began with Jesus Christ. Jesus is the body of Christ and the true Church is also the body of Christ. The total membership making up the body of Christ must arise like Jesus to unite with Jesus. We must go before the bema seat judgment to be given the crowns that will allow us to rule and reign with Jesus when we return. If the rapture and second coming were at the same time you would have to make this judgment and the giving of the crowns an instantaneous event in the clouds at the second coming of Jesus. In the Jewish harvest, you have the first fruits, the general harvest and the gleaning. The harvest is not one event and neither is the resurrection of the saints. Revelation makes it clear that the 144,000 Israelites who have a ministry in the tribulation are still first fruits, so this would indicate that those in the true Church before the tribulation are also first fruits of this harvest.

There are well over a score of biblical passages that indicate that the return of Jesus for the Church is imminent. An imminent return is quite impossible if the tribulation has to happen first. Why would Jesus direct his people to be always ready and watching for His coming if they were meant to go through the tribulation and thus would be aware of His coming as much as seven years before He actually came?

After the letters to the seven churches of Revelation and what is seen in heaven, the focus of the book of Revelation on earth is on the Israelites again. We see the Jews fleeing into the wilderness, the rebuilt temple, the two prophets, the 144,000 Jewish witnesses, and all nations coming to fight against Israel.



The rapture of the faithful in contrast to the Revelation of Jesus at His coming*

Christ comes for His own 1Th 4:13-18 --------------------Christ returns with His own Rev 19:14
Believers taken to Father's House Joh 14:3 ----------------Believers come with Jesus to Earth Mat 24:30
He is seen only by believers 1Co 15:52 --------------------Every eye will see Him Mat 24:30
Earth not judged -----------------------------------------------Earth judged Rev 20:4-5
A Mystery - 1 Co 15:51 --------------------------------------Foretold in OT Zech 12:10
Christians taken first 1Th 4:13-18 3 Mat 13:28-30 -------Wicked are taken first Mat 25:1-13; Rev 3:8-10; Rev 4:1,
He comes to present the Church to Himself 2 Co 11:2 ---He comes with His Church for judgement and to set up his Kingdom Rev 19:6-9, Zec 14:3-4; Jud 1:14-15; Rev 19:11-21
Casts Satan out of heaven to earth Rev 12 ------------------Binds Satan for a thousand years Rev 20
Occurs in the twinkling of an eye 1Co 15:52---------------Comes to earth to do battle at specific locations Isa 63:1-3, Rev 16:16, Zec 12:9-10
Jesus descends with a shout. 1Th 4:16 8 --------------------No shout mentioned Rev 19:11-21
Jesus comes as a thief in the night 1Th 24:43---------------Jesus comes at the end of 7 years of tribulation Dan 9:24-27, 12:11-12; Rev 11:2, 12:6,14, 13:5

*much of the above info was obtained from:http://www.linkjesus.com/15differences.htm

Sixteen scriptural proofs that the rapture is pre-tribulation *

Proof #1: Revelation 19:11-21 doesn't mention a resurrection.
The rapture is a resurrection of those "in Christ" (1 Thess. 4:13-18). Isn't it a little bit odd that in Rev. 19:11-21, which is the clearest picture of the second coming of Christ, there is no mention of a resurrection? The rapture will be the biggest event since the resurrection of Jesus where hundreds of millions of Christians will be resurrected and translated, yet there isn't any mention here. Don't you think it deserves at least one verse? The rapture isn't mentioned because it doesn't happen at the second coming.

Proof #2: Zechariah 14:1-15 doesn't mention a resurrection.
This is an Old Testament picture of Jesus returning to earth at the second coming. Again, no mention of a resurrection.

Proof #3: Two different pictures are painted.
In the Old Testament, there were two different pictures painted of the Messiah—one suffering (Isa. 53:2-10, Ps. 22:6-8, 11-18) and one reigning as King (Ps. 2:6-12, Zech. 14:9,16). As we look back on these scriptures, we see they predicted two separate comings of the Messiah—the 1st coming as a suffering Messiah and the 2nd coming (still future) as a reigning King.

In the New Testament, we have another picture added. Again, we have two pictures painted which don’t look the same. These two different descriptions of Jesus’ coming point to two separate events we call "the rapture" and "the second coming."

Proof #4: The Known Day and the Unknown Day.
Concerning the return of Jesus, the Bible presents a day we can't know and a day we can know. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 says the Jews will have to wait 1,260 days for the Lord to return. The 1,260 days begins when the Antichrist stands in the Temple and declares himself to be God (Matt. 24:15-21, 2 Thess. 2:4) This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven year Tribulation (Dan 9:27). The Antichrist has authority to rule for 42 months, which is 1,260 days (Rev. 13:4) and will be destroyed by Jesus at His second coming (Rev. 19:20, 2 Thess. 2:8). The known and unknown days must happen at different times, meaning they are two separate events.

Proof #5: A door open in heaven (Revelation 4:1).
The door in heaven is opened to let John into heaven. We believe John's call into heaven is prophetic of the Church being caught up at the rapture (see proof #6). In Revelation 19:11, heaven is opened again, this time to let the armies which are already in heaven out. This is the Church, which has been raptured at a previous time, following Jesus out of heaven at the second coming.

Proof #6: "Come up here." (Revelation 4:1).
A voice called for the apostle John to "Come up here," and immediately he was in heaven. This could be a prophetic reference to the rapture of the Church. The words "Come up here" are spoken to the two witnesses who are killed in the middle of the Tribulation, who are resurrected and ascend into heaven (Rev. 11:12). Therefore, the phrase "Come up here" could mean the Church is raptured in Rev. 4:1. The word "Church" is mentioned 22 times in Rev. 1-3, but is not mentioned again until Rev. 22:17.

**Proof #7: The 24 elders have their crowns.
After John is called up into heaven, he sees the 24 elders with their crowns (Rev. 4:4-10). We know that Christians will receive their rewards (crowns) at the rapture (2 Tim. 4:8, 1 Pet. 5:4). We will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous (Luke 14:14). The elders couldn't receive their crowns unless the resurrection (rapture) has taken place.

Proof #8 Holy ones are already with Jesus in heaven (Zech. 14:5, Rev. 19:14).
The armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, follow Jesus out of heaven at His second coming (Rev. 19:14, Zech. 14:5, Col. 3:4). These are not angels because Rev. 19:8 tells us the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. In order to come out of heaven we first have to go in, indicating a previous rapture.

Proof #9: Kept from the hour of testing (Rev. 3:10).
Revelation 3:10 says we will be kept out of the hour of testing which will come upon the whole earth (the Tribulation). Some have wrongly believed "keep" means to keep through, or protect through the Tribulation. Suppose you approach a high voltage area with a sign that says, "Keep Out." Does that mean you can enter and be protected? No, it means you are forbidden from entering the area. But this verse also says He will keep us from the hour of testing. It is not just the testing, but the time period. If a student is excused from a test, he still may have to sit in the class while others take the test. But if he is excused from the hour of testing, he can go home. The Church will be called home before the hour of testing.

Proof #10: Angels don't resurrect people when they gather them for judgment.
When the angels are sent forth to gather the elect at the second coming (Matt. 24:29-31), some have wrongly interpreted this as the rapture. There is one huge problem with this interpretation. If we are resurrected at this time, why would we need angels to gather us? In the resurrection, we will be like the angels (Matt. 22:30), able to travel in the air at will. Obviously, these people who are gathered are not resurrected, therefore it can't be the rapture. No one would claim the wicked are raptured at this time, yet Matthew 13:39-41, 49 says the angels will not only gather the elect, but also the wicked. This gathering is not a resurrection.

Proof #11: Both wicked and righteous both can't be taken first.
First Thessalonians 4:13-17 says the righteous are taken and the wicked are left behind. Matthew 13:30, 49 says the wicked are taken first and righteous are left behind. This points to two separate events, the rapture and the second coming.

Proof #12: Jesus returns from the wedding.
When Jesus returns to earth at the second coming, He will return from a wedding (Luke 12:36). At the rapture, Jesus is married to His bride, the Church. After the wedding, He will return to earth.

Proof #13: Jesus will receive us to Himself, not us to receive Him (John 14:2-3).
Jesus said He would prepare a place for the Church in heaven, then He would come again to receive us to Himself. Why would Jesus prepare a place for us in heaven and then not take us there? At the rapture, He will come to receive us to Himself, "that where I am (heaven), there you may be also." If the rapture occurred at the same time as the second coming, we would go up to the clouds and then immediately come back to earth. That would contradict John 14:2-3.

Proof #14: The one who restrains is taken out of the way.
In 2 Thess. 2:6-7, Paul says "the one who restrains will be taken out of the way" before the Antichrist can be revealed. We believe this refers to the rapture because the Church is clearly the biggest obstacle to the Antichrist becoming a world ruler.

Proof #15: The separation of the sheep and goats (Matt. 25:31-46).
If the rapture occurred at the second coming, why would the sheep and the goats need to be separated immediately after the second coming? A rapture at the second coming would have already separated the sheep and the goats. With a Pre-Tribulation rapture, the people saved after the rapture will need to be separated after the second coming.

Proof #16: Who will populate the Millennium?
If the rapture occurs at the second coming and the wicked are cast into hell at that time, who will be left to populate the millennium? Only people in their natural (non-resurrected) bodies will be able to have children (Matt. 22:30). With a Pre-Tribulation rapture, the people saved after the rapture who are alive at the second coming will populate the earth during the Millennium

*16 proofs are from Cornerstone Church garden city Kansas website **(I do not think proof 7 is valid since I do not believe the 24 elders are the Church)

http://www.fellowshiponline.org/bib.html


There are seven supernatural translation events in God's plan:

(God does many things in sevens - the number of completion.)

The seven supernatural translation events:

Selected references 1:


The letters to the seven churches are prophetic about the Church ages

Some insight can be found by close examination of what God has to say to the seven churches in the book of Revelation:

Those that wish to allegorize this book should read my article on amillennialism and my Revelation Commentary

The Revelation of Jesus Christ given to John is the unveiling of Jesus until He turns over the kingdom to the Father. These are the things that must shortly come to pass. In a nutshell, the book of Revelation is the story of Jesus interacting with His people through time.

Some highlights of the book of Revelation are:

The seven Church ages

The messages to the seven churches were to seven actual historic churches that existed in John's time. They were not the most prominent churches but they were picked because God has a message to give to all the believers who will ever live during the Church age. We see here in these letters that He is working with His Church until the end of the Church age. The entire Church age is from the time of the giving of the promise of a new Covenant at Pentecost until she unites with Jesus in heaven.

There are seven periods within this age. The first three periods in Revelation have been fulfilled historically. We know this because each of the first three were replaced by a successor and there is no mention of the Lord's coming in the first three.

Ephesus - the Apostolic Church - until the death of John 32 - 100 AD
Smyrna - The martyred Church - until Christianity became the religion of the Roman Empire - 100 - 312 AD.
Pergamum - - The Church that joined the state - until the Papacy - 312 - 600 AD (approx.)

The messages to all seven churches are still valid to all who live on the earth today but only the last four letters deal with the historic assemblies that are still dwelling on earth until Jesus returns for them.

To avoid confusion, it is essential to understand that the letter was addressed to seven assemblies in existence at the time of John.
Not all people in any of the original assemblies were truly Christian. The message content from Jesus to the seven churches should makes this clear as does the New Testament epistles to the churches. If there is a prophetic application with the Church through time as I believe, it also is critical to understand that the message from Jesus to the last four assemblies is to true believers and traditional cultural Christians alike. Just like their were believing descendants of Israel and unbelieving descendants of Israel. The letters in Revelation to the Churches are to all who identify with these Christian assemblies and not just to the true believers within them.

The last four remaining churches on earth:

Thyatira is the Roman Catholic Church and the eastern Orthodox Churches. At the end, this assembly will be tried by death. The passage seems to imply that most in this assembly are cast into great tribulation and that the descendants of this Church are killed in the tribulation. This Church has good works but most were in adultery with mystery Babylon.

Sardis is the Churches of the reformation that have become spiritually dead. They are the liberal and ritualistic churches that have no good works. This includes many main line Protestant denomination churches in the world today, and certainly includes most of the state churches of Europe. God says they will not know the time of his coming and that they will not be ready when He comes. They will go through great tribulation.

Philadelphia, like Enoch, was pleasing to God. This assembly has an open door (world evangelism) that no one can shut (not even Satan). She has some power (God's Spirit), she kept the word (the Bible) and does not deny the name of Jesus. This Church also kept the word of His patience (Jesus coming for the Church) and because of this she, like Enoch, will be removed from the earth before the judgment on earth (great tribulation). The Church of Philadelphia is many of those in the Evangelical and Pentecostal assemblies.

Laodicea is the wealthy Protestant churches of today that are self-centered country clubs. It could also be those that "say" they are rich in spirit but are full of dead works. She is spit out of Jesus' mouth and becomes identified with the harlot of Revelation. She is rich in material goods but she is poor spiritually. God is outside looking in (no indwelling spirit). This assembly will be chastened in the tribulation but those individuals that seek Jesus will find Him. This group probably includes most "possibility thinking" and "Word of Faith" churches. It certainly includes some "seeker friendly" churches that have watered down Christian doctrine and worship to make it appealing to the world It would also include the emerging and emergent church movement that redefines essentials truths of Christianity. It may also include some charismatics who think they are rich spiritually but have gone off into new age theology and doctrine of demons. It could even possibly include some cults that are in great heresy but who do not deny that Jesus is Lord.


Many will be saved in the tribulation

The scripture says all who endure to the end will be saved (all who hold on to the testimony of Jesus during the tribulation).

That word "all" should nullify any doctrine that says there will be no second chance of salvation for those who heard the gospel but were not part of the spiritual body of Christ before the rapture or tribulation. The passage clearly excludes no one and we see that true repentance leads to salvation throughout scripture.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death.

Selected References 2:


There is still time for the blind to see:

Those that allegorize and spiritualize scripture that should be taken literally sometimes do not believe in the infallibility of scripture either. They need to look at the foundations of their faith.

Some in the Church lack diligence and scholarship and only believe what they were taught in liberal seminaries. These need to study to show themselves approved.

Some hold a warped view in ignorance, such as Christians who think the Church replaced Israel or that think we are living in the kingdom now. These members are blinded by darkness and need to be enlightened by the word and the Spirit.

Those open to demonic deception in Thyatira need to look to the word of God and follow Jesus instead of following traditions of men and pagan mysticism.

Those that are sleeping in Sardis need to
WAKE UP or they will be left behind.

Those that are deceived by materialism and doctrines of demons like those in Laodicea need to find true spiritual riches from God.

Those in all the assemblies who think we cannot know the general time of His coming need to remember that Jesus admonished the Pharisees for not knowing the time of his first appearing and that Paul told the Church that we are not in darkness that this day would come upon us as a thief.

More insights on the rapture of the Church:

Those who are born of the Spirit and who are ready, will go in the pretribulation rapture and escape the time of the tribulation. People who identify themselves as Christians by tradition and culture but who do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit will go through the great trial on earth. Going through the tribulation will cost most of those who continue to identify with Jesus after the rapture their lives. It will be a trial by fire; those who overcome by losing their life for His namesake will be saved. Those cowards that seek to save their lives by denying Him will lose their souls.

Some say the partial rapture of those who claim they are Christian is equal to a Protestant purgatory. However, what if the real fires of purgatory (if you wish to call it that) is the awareness of the departed believers that their lives were displeasing to Christ? Thus, they now wait in anguish under the altar for the future judgment seat of Christ to take place. This judgment is not about salvation; it is about the public giving or taking away of positions of authority based on faithful or unfaithful service.

All prior believers have tasted death of the flesh. Will Jesus actually deliver those who are living in spiritual adultery and who are faithless from physical death? Enoch, as our example, was taken and did not taste death because he pleased God, but without faith it is impossible to please God. Jesus tells us to remember Lot's wife. Lot's wife looked back to Sodom. Israel also looked back to Egypt after God delivered them out of Egypt. Those who did so were not spared, so why should the Gentiles be spared who are displeasing to God? Those in the Church that look back and get entangled in the world will not be watching and waiting for His return and they also will not be delivered in the rapture of the faithful that are identified as Philadelphia.

The real question might be, are carnal Christians even part of the Church? A strong case can be made that those who say they are Christian but have no works are not part of His Spirit indwelt body at all. Those who are born of the Spirit and are pleasing God by real faith with evidence of works of the Spirit will certainly be among those taken in the rapture.

How can a Church that is kept out of the trial go through the trial?

If the Philadelphia Church is kept from the hour (time) of the tribulation then how can she possibly go through part or all of it? She is also given crowns. The crowns are given at the judgment seat of Christ in heaven after the rapture but before the second coming.

Enoch - the 6th from Adam - walked with God for 300 years, was taken, and did not see death. Could this be a picture of the sixth church being raptured after a similar period of evangelism? Enoch knew when the judgment would come. He named his son Methuselah. The meaning of the name Methuselah is "when he is dead it will come". The year Methuselah died is also the year of the great flood. When the Church is taken out the judgment will shortly follow.

The ancient Jewish marriage ceremony proclaims a pretribulation rapture picture.

The Song of Solomon 2:08-14 could have a picture of the rapture.

Sol 2:10 and 14 - He tells his beloved to arise and come away (rapture)

11 - in late spring (Resurrection Day, Ascension Day or Pentecost?)

12 - rain is over and past (In Israel this is the month of May (Ascension Day or Pentecost?)

13 - the figs are ripening (Israel is God's fig tree - it is time for Israel to become fruitful)

14 - She is hid in the cleft of the rock (hid in Christ - Jesus is the rock)

15 - Take the foxes that do damage to the vines (time to deal with evil people)

16 - My beloved is mine, and I am his (marriage of the Church to Christ)


Jesus said it would be like in the time of Noah and Lot.

There are also other picture stories worth finding in scripture that proclaim a removal of God's people before the judgment.

Selected References: 3


Is the rapture of the Church in scripture?

There are many hints in scripture about God hiding his people during a time of judgment on the earth. Since it is clear that this has not happened yet, it is a future event:

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

Psa 27:5 For in the day of trouble he will keep me secretly in his pavilion: In the covert of his tabernacle will he hide me: He will lift me up upon a rock.

Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me, Those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

Psa 58:9 Before your pots can feel the thorns, He will take them away with a whirlwind, the green and the burning alike.

Joe 2:16 gather the people, sanctify the assembly, assemble the old men, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts; let the bridegroom go forth from his chamber, and the bride out of their closet.

Zep 2:3 Seek ye Jehovah, all ye meek of the earth, that have kept his ordinances; seek righteousness, seek meekness; it may be ye will be hid in the day of Jehovah's anger.

Joh 11:25,26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me though he die, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth on me shall never die. (Here Jesus in part is talking about the believers who are translated at his coming.)

Joh 14:1,2 Let not your heart be troubled: believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

1 Co 15:51,55 Behold, I tell you a mystery:
We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?

1 Th 1:10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead. Even Jesus. Who delivereth us from the wrath to come.

1 Th 4:14-18 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also that are fallen asleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are left unto the coming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Th 5:1-6 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that aught be written unto you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night when they are saying, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child: and they shall in no wise escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief: for ye are all sons of light, and sons of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness; so then let us not sleep, as do the rest, but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night: and they that are drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, since we are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation. For God appointed us not into wrath, but unto the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore exhort one another, and build each other up, even as also ye do.

2Th 2:1-12 Now we beseech you, brethren, touching
the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him; to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand; let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know that which restraineth, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming; even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Tit 2:13 looking for the
blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Heb 11:5-6 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God translated him for he hath had witness borne to him that before his translation he had been well pleasing unto God and without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing unto him; for they that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that seek after him.

1 Joh 2:28 and now my little children, abide in him; that, if he shall be manifested, we may have boldness, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.


Note...
Matthew chapters 24 and 25, Mark chapter 13, and Luke chapters 17 and 21 also deal with the end times. They also are the most used references for those who believe the Church will go through the tribulation but in these scriptures what we really see is Israel going through the tribulation and the gathering of tribulation saints to Israel.

For more information on this see my article on distinctions between the rapture, the gathering and the second coming

For more information about the pre-tribulation rapture that answer most critics of the pre-tribulation rapture check out the
raptureready.com website or some of the Bible prophecy links on my directory of great websites.

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Proof Ezekiel 38-39 is headed our way-America's decline & more-March 25, 2009

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Today's post is longer than usual and it may take you two days to digest all this information.  If you actualy take the time to review all the information reports and, videos I am sure you will be blown away by what you see. 

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Prophecy Sign in Ezekiel chapters 38-39: For months you have been reading here at Bible Prophecy & End Times Current Events about a future attack against the land of Israel that is mentioned in chapters 38 and 39 in the book of Ezekiel.  For months you have been told that the attack will come from the north of Israel and that this massive fighting force will be led by Gog - a people originating out of the land of Magog from out of the far north (Russia).  If you are new to my site, I suggest you download my free prophecy book and read chapter 10.  I give details about all the nations listed by God that will soon attack Israel.  This is what God said to Ezekiel about this future war against Israel. "Therefore, son of man (Ezekiel), prophesy and say to Gog.  "Thus says the Lord GOD:  "On that day when my people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it?  Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army.  You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land.  It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hollowed in you, O God, before their eyes” Ezekiel 38:14-16.

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So this isn't just a guess or "speculation" that this event is going to take place.  It is a sure thing.  God is going to be the one to make it happen.  And WHY is God going to cause this war to happen?     "So I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore.  Then the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One of Israel.  Surely it is coming, and it shall be done", says the Lord GOD."  Ezekiel 39:7,8.    

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It is important that we focus on this war at this point and time because we are beginning to hear the "drumbeats" of the enemy.  If you understand what is taking place in the above scriptures, then you will notice that there are going to be many nations coming against Israel.  And please also take note that there will be no other nations - including the United States - there to help Israel.  They will be totally isolated. The enemies of Israel have only have one thing on their mind which is why this fighting force will be so large and that will be for the total annihilation of Israel as a nation - a modern day holocaust.  The scriptures tell us that after this great army is defeated that Israel will be burning their weapons for 7 years.  So what do we see happening today that shows us that things are lining up for this event to take place? 

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As most of us know already, Israel is under intense pressure to split Jerusalem and make Israel a 2 state country.  Half for Israel and the other half for the Palestinians - who also happen to be arch enemies of Israel.  For years this has been going on about whether to let this take place or not.  It has used up massive amounts of resources by all countries involved in this peace process and it's cost millions of lives through the wars that have taken place because of it.  Well, it's now come to the time when the world is going to start applying the thumbscrews on Israel until they agree to do this.  Because of the war in Gaza recently and all of the innocent lives that were taken because of this attack, it has turned the world against Israel.  Even the United States is beginning to take a stand against Israel.  Israel is being isolated right now as it is described to us in the scriptures.  Israel's allies are turning against them - and this isn't a good thing for those countries - or for us either.   "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the seige both against Judah and against Jerusalem.  And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it” Zechariah 12: 2, 3.   Did you hear that?  All the people of the earth will be gathered together against it!!!  This means the United States too folks! 

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http://www.caiaweb.org/node/1176  - it’s the world against Israel - but Israel has God on their side - and all God's people!

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/ss_israel0229_03_19.asp

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130426

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130501   - the video on this report doesn't work but the article is loaded with information that proves the warning given to us by God via Ezekiel should not be taken lightly.

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How close are we to the Antichrist?   Watch this next video featuring Barack Obama's foreign policy advisor - Zbigniew Brzezinski - and you will get a sense of how close to a 2 state solution Israel really is.  And remember, the antichrist is the one who will be "sealing the deal".  You can set the cursor at 5:15 into the video.  The stuff before that doesn't relate to the point here.  From 5:15 into the video it will open your eyes as to how dire things are becoming for Israel.  Notice he says that we have to "bite the bullet" with the Mid East conflict.   And he says that the United States must lead the action to be taken and that he believes that NOBODY would object to whatever it is that we decide to do about it.  I'm sure that he is including the EU and United Nations in this as well.   And when you read in between the lines, it is clear that If Israel doesn't agree to a peace plan soon then WE will decide it for them - with force!    Yes - Israel truly is becoming more and more isolated as the days go by.   

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3431

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I have one more video for you to watch. When you click on the link it will take you to the Prophecy in the News program. When you get there click on MONDAY'S program that will appear below the screen.  You DON'T want to miss this!!!  This was the main video I wanted you to see but the video doesn't have it's own link so you have to go to the site. 

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/

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I don’t know about you but I thank Jesus Christ for allowing me to see the truth not only about these end times but for who Jesus Christ really is.  After reading His warnings and seeing all these things coming to pass, you would have to be brain dead to see what is taking place.  It could not have been made any clearer for us.  Jesus is calling you to Himself and these current events warn us His Church will be going home to Christ soon.  Come with us when He calls us home.  The only way that will be possible is for you to take Jesus as your Savior and repent for your old ways.  Jesus is the doorway to your eternity and He wants you to walk through that door to safety today.  We are running out of time to witness for Christ so I pled with you.  Take the love gift Jesus has extended to you and live forever in His Kingdom.  I cannot water down the message.  If you refuse to receive what Christ has done for us, (THE CROSS), and you turn from Him, you will spend your eternity with the Devil, the Antichrist, the False Prophet, and all those who rejected Jesus in HELL.  Jesus talked about this place more than anyone in the entire Bible.  Why?  Because He wanted to make sure you knew what to expect and He was trying to keep you from making the decision to go there.  Hell is a lake of fire where the flames and torment will never ever go away.  Christ has given everyone (FREE WILL).  He will not force you to choose Him.  If you go to this lake of fire right after you pass on it will be because it was your choice to refuse Christ’s Love for you.  Why do you think I spend so much time showing you every Word in prophecy is coming to pass?  It is because this is how Christ is showing everyone His Words are true.  He is the one wants you to believe you can trust what He says.  Knowing Christ’s Words are Iron clad and a Hell fire awaits all the unrepentant, will you not take the better way today?  Christ said, When you see all these things know that it is near even at the door.  What else can we see that He warned us about?

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There is a coming worldwide famine and depression on our horizon.  This is another sign that Jesus will soon be returning.  In Revelations chapter 5 in verses 7 and 8 when the fifth seal is opened, it describes conditions that paint a picture of a global depression where money will be worth next to nothing.  We are seeing signs of this happening now.  Our government just committed another 1.25 Trillion dollars to try and jumpstart our economy again.  They might as well throw gasoline on a fire.  It won't help.  It isn't going to help because according to the scriptures these are the conditions that will be here in the tribulation period.  This is money we don't have - it needs to be printed.  The more money we print the more it devalues it.  China is worried about it and if China stops buying our treasury notes - which in turn finances our debt - then the United States is done.  If China calls us on our debt and we can't pay them then the markets crash.  The WORLD markets crash because the monetary standard of world financial markets is the dollar.  This will be one of the main topics of discussion at the all-important G20 meeting in France on April 2.  China and other nations have expressed their desire for a new reserve currency but the EU says that they are not in favor of a new currency right now.  Is the EU just waiting for the dollar to crash?  Remember, the Antichrist will rise up out of the modern day Roman Empire - the EU.  It sounds like instead of a new monetary system - or one world currency - they may be waiting for the crash to happen and then just go ahead and implement the new Antichrist system which will be the mark of the beast system.  We need to keep watching how this develops.  But notice how these developments are in line with what is taking place in the Middle East.  These are two issues that may seem to be headed towards fulfillment sometime in our near future.  Who will be the one who comes along and "solves" all of these problems?  You got it - the Antichrist. 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92696

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http://euobserver.com/9/27849

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The following 2 people in these next videos are Christians.  The things that were told to them were told by a Christian man.  When you watch these videos then you decide what you want about them.  Is the United States in trouble and are they preparing for the "big crash"?  We'll know soon enough if this information is correct.

Part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rT8tZwxlYo

Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK1jjt46lPI&feature=related

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US Orders Project ENDGAME To Begin, 775,000 Americans Targeted For Arrest? February 24 2009

http://www.sodahead.com/question/281814/us-orders-project-endgame-to-begin-775000-americans-targeted-for-arrest/

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Jesus told us in Matthew 24 that there would be earthquakes in various places at the time of His coming.  There was a 4.8 quake near the Salton Sea in Southern California yesterday.  Doesn't sound like much but it gets better.  There were around 40 quakes recorded since the weekend in this area with most of them under a magnitude 3.  I think it best that you just read the article.  There are serious implications if this activity doesn't stop.  If you pull up a map of California on the net and enter San Andreas Fault then notice where it runs.  It runs north to south and it's track takes it right through the middle of San Francisco.  Future judgments in wait, very possible?  Between the years 1997 to 2009 there have been a total of 224,949 earthquakes.  Just through March 17 we have already had a total of close to 300 earthquakes this month around the world.  It's just a matter of time before a big one hits somewhere.  In the book of Revelation we see examples of where God uses earthquakes to pass judgment on the world.  

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090324/ap_on_re_us/socal_quake

If you want a complete look at facts on recent earthquakes click to link below.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php

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Russia has "risen from the dead" in just the last few years and they've already been flexing their muscles.  They returned to back to battle for the first time in many many years back in August of 2008 when they invaded Georgia.  The "bear" has come out of hibernation.  Since the Georgia battle they have been sailing the high seas and establishing new alliances and visiting old friends.  Interesting to note is that most of the countries that they visited on their world tour included countries that will be participating in the Ezekiel war.   This is NOT a coincidence.  This is prophecy in the making. In Daniel chapter 7 we read in verse 5 of a bear.  "And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear.  It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth.  And they said to it: 'Arise, devour much flesh!"   There is no question that this passage is referring to Russia.  And the question is, WHO do the three ribs represent that are in the bears mouth.  These will be three countries that Russia will conquer in the last days but before the antichrist shows up because in Daniel's vision the bear is the second beast to appear.  The antichrist is shown in the fourth beast from verse 7 right on through the end of the chapter.  Could Georgia be one of the ribs represented?  Probably.  Who are the other two? I am certain without a shadow of a doubt that the UK is one of them.  There has been an ongoing strife between these two countries for the past few months and things are heating up between them.  The UK is also considering joining NATO which Russia DOES NOT want and will, more than likely, make sure doesn't happen.  And then there are a couple of others that want to join that Russia vigorously objects to.  And they are Croatia and Albania.  Watch the Russian bear! 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2524550/Russia-invades-Georgia-as-South-Ossetia-descends-towards-war.html

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia-Ukraine_gas_dispute

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hmxGMWTai6Ga-sqTFR1vTOZHfhbg

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http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=07&dd=11&nav_id=51837

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http://euobserver.com/9/27827

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Sometime after the Antichrist shows up - which will be after we are raptured away and are in heaven (PRAISE GOD!!!) - there will be a new system of buying and selling that will begin. Read Rev. 13:16-17.  It will have to do with the mark of the beast.  Unless somebody has the mark of the beast either on their right hand or forehead they won't be able to buy or sell anything.  It looks as if what this system may include both a chip implantation and a tattoo to be used as a visual confirmation that the chip was installed.  The implant could be inserted somewhere in the body and the tattoo will show that that person has the implant.  

http://www.rfidnews.org/2009/03/19/barcoding-inc-plans-rfid-center

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http://www.markbeast.com/mark/mark-beast-look-like.htm

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If you read my post from yesterday March 24, 2009 and saw the new technology now out, this next video will really open your eyes.

http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/ubiquitous_computing.htm

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Shopping takes on a different meaning if you know what Christ warned us!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eob532iEpqk&feature=related

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If Jesus has spoken to your heart, after reading this information, please receive His call to you. Ask Christ into your heart by saying the sinners pray. No one can enter Heaven without giving his or her life to Christ. Jesus is waiting for you, please do not let Him or yourself down.

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"Heavenly Father, have mercy on me, a sinner. I believe in you and that your Word is true. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that he died on the cross so that I may now have forgiveness for my sins and eternal life. I know that without you in my heart my life is meaningless and I am without hope. I believe in my heart that you, Lord God, raised Him from the dead. Please, Jesus, forgive me, for every sin I have ever committed or done in my heart. Please, Lord Jesus, forgive me and come into my heart as my personal Lord and Savior today. I need you to be my Father and my friend. I give you my life and ask you to take full control from this moment on; I pray this in the name of Jesus Christ." I thank you for adding my name into your Book of Life. In the name of Jesus Christ, I pray. Amen.

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You can now download my newest up-dated Jan. 2009 book by clicking to the link below.

Download 'The Last Chronicles of Earth' - Jan. 1, 2009

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links to all of my radio interviews and videos can be seen at my Feb. 17, 2009 post.

http://frankdimora.typepad.com/the_last_chronicles/2009/02/feb-17-2008-links-to-all-of-dimoras-teachings-on-radio-and-video.html

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My Son Adam DiMora has started writing his own blog. Please take a look and subscribe there as well. Adam is a wonderful writer and will no doubt take my place if Jesus calls me home before he comes for His Church. Adam has truly been given a gift to write for Jesus!

www.jesus-christ-prophecy.blogspot.com


96 posted on 07/26/2009 8:46:11 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; Joya

Post 95, thanks, Quix.

I have said it before and I’ll say it again, Whenever Jesus comes back, I’m in !!!

I won’t be hanging on to the carport, saying, Hey, it’s too soon, can’t You come back later ???

IF the Tribulation starts, and those who believe in Jesus aren’t yet caught up to be with Him ... meaning, the mid-Trib or post-Trib timetable turns out to be the actual one (no man knows the day or the hour and all that) then I PRAY that we believers OVERCOME TO THE END.

Scripture warns that some will fall away.

I ask Him to prepare us NOW, either way.

= = =

Post 95 JESUS WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY marker.


97 posted on 07/26/2009 8:50:01 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Joya

Thanks thanks.

Amen.


98 posted on 07/26/2009 9:16:41 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thank you very much for the pings...PAMom.


99 posted on 07/26/2009 9:46:25 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (7-27-09 Sarah Palin Independence Day!)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

And you for your kind reply.


100 posted on 07/26/2009 9:51:03 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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