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To: MarkBsnr
***Notice the terminology here, too. All things were created in Him. Not by Him. All things were created through Him and for Him and not by Him.

9 and to bring to light [for all] 5 what is the plan of the mystery hidden from ages past in God who created all things,

Sorry Charlie...I see you're quoting the Douay Rheims book...And this is to show that nothing was created by Jesus, but God???

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Not only is it clear in the Majority Texts that Paul wrote that Jesus was the creator,

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

it's clear you are being dishonest in not following up on Jerome's faulty interpretation to where he sets the record more right...

This is from your Catholic bible;

Col 1:16 For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers. All things were created by him and in him.
Col 1:17 And he is before all: and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he may hold the primacy: Even Jerome knew Jesus was the creator...What happened to you???

Of course Jesus was divine and Paul preached it...

1,688 posted on 10/26/2009 4:53:17 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

******Notice the terminology here, too. All things were created in Him. Not by Him. All things were created through Him and for Him and not by Him.
9 and to bring to light [for all] 5 what is the plan of the mystery hidden from ages past in God who created all things,

Sorry Charlie...I see you’re quoting the Douay Rheims book***

My name is not Charlie. It’s Mark. And I’m quoting the NAB.

***Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Not only is it clear in the Majority Texts that Paul wrote that Jesus was the creator, ***

It says that God the Father created all things. And even so, it does not claim the divinity of Jesus.

But even so; where is the claim of divinity? There is the claim of creation with God the Father creating through Jesus. Paul does not say that Jesus is divine anywhere and it cannot be derived except through Church interpretation.


1,689 posted on 10/26/2009 5:34:54 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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