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To: MarkBsnr
Interesting. If satan is an angel in opposition to God, then is satan an agent of God according to your understanding?

Absolutely. And he's only doing his job. You must remember that there is no evil fallen angel warring against G-d in Torah.

***It is not Theists who have a “problem of evil” to solve (since G-d is absolutely necessary to objective evil to exist). It is atheists who insist that even in a self-existent universe devoid of all meaning, some things are still objectively “evil.”***

Can you expand upon this?

Sure. The whole point of morality/ethics is subjection and obedience to the Divine Will. Without a Divine Will to submit to all you have are subjective "hang-ups." Plus obedience and disobedience of G-d unleash spiritual forces (food in the case of the former, bad in the latter). In other words, to put it vulgarly, "mojo." If there is no G-d and all "morality" or "ethics" is based on "being nice to other people" (nice defined by whom, btw?) then obviously no spiritual forces are involved at all. Human beings are just pulling the whole thing out of their rears.

10 posted on 07/29/2009 8:01:46 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ('Ani hagever ra'ah `ani, beshevet `evrato!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

***Interesting. If satan is an angel in opposition to God, then is satan an agent of God according to your understanding?

Absolutely. And he’s only doing his job. You must remember that there is no evil fallen angel warring against G-d in Torah. ***

I see. satan is a tempter and rabble rouser, who then accuses mankind before God. Job is a case in point. According to my sources, satan works for God and has to get permission before engaging in any activity. Is that how you understand it?

***Can you expand upon this?

Sure. The whole point of morality/ethics is subjection and obedience to the Divine Will. Without a Divine Will to submit to all you have are subjective “hang-ups.” Plus obedience and disobedience of G-d unleash spiritual forces (food in the case of the former, bad in the latter). In other words, to put it vulgarly, “mojo.” If there is no G-d and all “morality” or “ethics” is based on “being nice to other people” (nice defined by whom, btw?) then obviously no spiritual forces are involved at all. Human beings are just pulling the whole thing out of their rears.***

Would you say that sin is active or passive disobedience to God, then?


17 posted on 07/30/2009 8:33:57 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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