Zionist Conspirator: Absolutely. And he's only doing his job. You must remember that there is no evil fallen angel warring against G-d in Torah.
Mark, the concept of an independent and rebellious evil and the "conflict" between good and evil is a post-Babylonian, Persian import which made its way into messianic Judaism, and represents corruption of traditional Judaism. Jews do not believe that an angel, being created an obligate servant, can rebel against God.
The add insult to injury the Church added to this sectarian Jewish cult pagan Greek (Platonic) philosophy and created a new religion. In Judaism, man is in no need for salvation and ha-satan is a loyal servant (and son of) God, as all his angels are.
Most Christians are not aware of how the Jews interpret their own scripture. Instead, Christians treat Judaism as an apostate "corruption," and offer the New Testament as a "correction." The Church even states clearly that we interpret everything, including the Old Testament, through the prism of the New Testament, and the New Testament through the prism of the Gospels.
In doing so, Christianity is to a Jew what Mormonism is to a Christian. When the Christians say they are the "extended" Israel" it is like the Mormons saying they are the "true Christians." When we offer the New Testament to a Jew as scripture, it is like LDS offering their Book of Mormon to a Christian.
When American evangelists speak of "Judeo-Christian" culture, it is as if we were speaking of a Mormon-Christian culture. It is an oxymoron. A Jew can even be an atheist and still be a Jew, and even acceptable to God, but he cannot be a Christian and still be considered a Jew. You cannot be Cathoic and a Mormon, but you can be a non-practicing Catholic if you have been properly baptized.
Most Christians do not realize the true width of the chasm that exists. Much of it has to do with the fact that Christians adopted Jewish scriptures and Christianized it, so we feel it's partial "ours." Trouble is, the way we read it and the way the Jews read it is like night and day.
If you want to imagine how a Jew feels in a Christian world, imagine a Catholic/Orthodox living in a Mormon world...
ZC, your thoughts?
What is your authoritative source for a mythical, pre-Babylonian, Persian"traditional" Judaism which was corrupted by some variant "cult" of "messianic" Judaism?
Most Christians are not aware of how the Jews interpret their own scripture.
The question seems to presume a monolithic Jewish interpretation of Scripture which does not comport with your characterization of Jewish history above. Messianic Jews for thousands of years would certainly take exception to such a characterization of messianic Judaism as a corruption of some earlier, authentic Judaism.
Cordially,
Wow . . . for someone I’ve quarreled with so violently in the past and someone whose on worldview is so far from mine, I don’t think I’ve ever read a lovelier post on this forum. Thank you, honorable adversary!
***Most Christians do not realize the true width of the chasm that exists. Much of it has to do with the fact that Christians adopted Jewish scriptures and Christianized it, so we feel it’s partial “ours.” Trouble is, the way we read it and the way the Jews read it is like night and day.
If you want to imagine how a Jew feels in a Christian world, imagine a Catholic/Orthodox living in a Mormon world...***
Hmm. I knew this, but have never really thought about it in depth.