Posted on 08/17/2009 9:10:31 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
Nope, nothing.
It made no sense at all.
When we say "Hail Mary full of grace" we quote the angel sent to gain Mary's consent to made Mother of God. Her submission "behold the handmaid of the Lord" is a model of Christian faith.
>>and be with Christ, which is better by far; <<
So Paul is dead. And lying when he said he would be with Christ?
Mary is alive.
“Not one jot or tittle of the law will pass until all be fulfilled.” St. Thomas has a good treatment in the Summa of what remained of the Old Law once the New Law was promulgated. Insofar as the Ceremonial Law was a prefigurement of the New Law of Grace, it ceased. Consequently, the Apostles, being fulfilled Jews, did not continue to practice the ceremonial precepts. There is a good discussion of it in the Acts. Animal sacrifice was a prefigurement of the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. We continue to enjoy the merits of His passion, especially in the Eucharist.
It is easy to claim that the Church lies and makes stuff up, maybe you should supply some proof with your assertions?
>>”Hail Mary full of grace”<<
And surprise!
That is scripture!
riiight then.
believe as you wish.
I believe maryism to be in error.
Eternal error.
That’s my belief.
good day.
The dogmatic declaration of the Assumption from 1952 of course is very, very recent and as we know is silent on whether or not Panagia actually died before she was assumed bodily into heaven.
Readers here who don’t already know should understand that the entire Church, East and West, for 1400 odd years at least celebrated the “Dormition”, the “Falling Asleep” or death of the Theotokos. It was in the West and still is in the East, “theologoumennon”, a pious belief not necessary for salvation, that she was bodily assumed into heaven. In other words, one could be a Latin until 1952 and one can still be Orthodox and NOT believe that Panagia was bodily assumed. I will add however that I have never met any orthodox Christian who didn’t believe in the Assumption or that she actually died.
Correct! Since the Catholic Church does not believe Mary to be a divine being or a deity, there's no worship. Glad we agree.
When you ask friends to pray for you, you are doing what Christ wants. We are to pray for each other. This is not granting a status of deity.
Correct! Since the Catholic Church never proclaimed Mary as a deity or anything close for that matter, then we have agreement again. When I ask Mary to pray for me, I am simply doing what Christ commanded. Glad you clarified that for us.
As for this:
The soldier on the battlefield does the same as an icon of the person he loves. You may hold the same argument for Mary, but the effect is that of idolization when done to the scope of the Roman Catholic Church.
LOL. Are you the sole arbiter of when expressions of love and honor rise to the level of idolization? I love my wife to the degree that I would DIE for her. Tell me, do I worship my wife?
Have you upgraded to version 1.2 yet?
...there was a completed reformation of the program, after many protests.
have a good evening.
I would say that you and Petronski are indeed of the same ilk. Both of you are poorly schooled in logic and argument resolution.
Paul is dead. His body has surrendered to the corruption of the grave (sheol). His spirit is with the Lord. Upon the day of the Lord's glorious appearing, he will be raised to life. I am making an assumption that you have read the Bible? If so, then this should all be familiar as it is written. The status that the Roman Catholic Church has elevated Mary to has no basis in scripture as it is not written. It cannot even be assumed as there is no basis for what is written about her.
>>I believe maryism to be in error.<<
So does the Catholic Church.
If what you have described is "maryism" I agree with you.
But what you have described is not Catholic.
For Petronski, “just your own personal interpretation of Scripture” is his way of saying, “I don’t have an answer to your statement,.”
Babelfish is up to version 1.88
Still says nonsense.
I'll make the 'assumption' that the 'or' above should be 'our'. In order for the above to be true, you would need to list those beliefs of yours. I am a 'traditional' Lutheran I believe the following about Mary:
She humbled herself before God, found favor with Him.
She was 'blessed'.
The Virgin birth
She was a sinner in need of a Savior and acknowledged that fact.
She died and her soul is in heaven with the rest of the faithful dead awaiting the Second Coming of her Son like all Christians are.
I was a catholic, my entire family were and most still are catholics, ask them what the immaculate conception is and that is what they’ll tell you. Ask them if they’re going to heaven and they say yes, ask why, and they say “I’m a good person” everytime .... It speaks for itself ...
Post 150 has all the places recorded where Jesus, as an adult, interacted with Mary.
Jesus did NOT make a ‘big deal’ about Mary. The Apostles made even less.
Isn't that special...more personal attacks.
His spirit is with the Lord.
And thus St. Paul is alive. His body is dead but he is alive. We are not merely our bodies, we are our spirits. We are in this world but not of this world.
Paul lives.
The status that the Catholic Church has elevated Mary to has no basis in scripture as it is not written.
Such is your own personal interpretation of Scripture and you are welcome to it. But it (your interpretation) is of no use to me.
Jesus Christ, being the second person of the Blessed Trinity, sent His angel to call her full of grace and select her to be the Mother of God.
You left that off of your list.
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