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Fourteen Easy Ways to Improve the Liturgy
ic ^ | August 18, 2009 | Arlene Oost-Zinner and Jeffrey Tucker

Posted on 08/18/2009 3:44:35 PM PDT by NYer

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To: frogjerk; NYer
"In parishes, there is no choice: watch in silence as the celebrant gives Communion to the elite laypeople who have been selected as official "eucharistic ministers."

Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist should be used in extraordinary circumstances. Not every Mass every Sunday. How about waiting to "receive" Holy Communion rather than running up to "take" Holy Communion. This is creating the appearance of a privileged class of the laity."

In the Byzantine Rite, there are NO Eucharistic Ministers. Not even the deacon ministers the Holy Eucharist to the people. Before V II Father did it all. If people wish for time for recollection and thanksgiving after reception of Holy Eucharist, this is the perfect way to accomplish it. Give Father time to minister to the entire congregation.

41 posted on 08/18/2009 7:52:18 PM PDT by redhead (If it's worth fighting for, it's worth dying for. Check the Halfbaked Sourdough)
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To: blackpacific

I’m delighted that those who want to attend Mass using the Missal of 1962 are able to. However, I do not have the slightest desire to do it myself. If our Bishop or the Pope were to assign this as the standard for everyone, we would say, “Yes sir!” and still be grateful to have the Mass at all, of course.


42 posted on 08/19/2009 3:51:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: NYer

My parish’s music director, who bases a lot of the music from a local Passionist Fathers retreat house, during the Holy Week/Easter time, had the choir do at least one or two verses on the Latin. Also at that same retreat house there was at a music minister’s conference before the liturgy, a chanting in Latin of one verse in Latin.


43 posted on 08/19/2009 4:24:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("God Is Great, Beer Is Good, People Are Crazy"-Billy Cunnington :)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: NYer; Religion Moderator

Why is this in the Evangelical Christian sidebar? You do this frequently.


44 posted on 08/19/2009 5:04:47 AM PDT by lupie
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To: NYer
I wish I could have gotten to the computer last night, but, alas, it's peach season and I have at least five batches of preserves to go.

Great article. We do most of this, which comes as a bit of a shock to the tourists.

I will say, though, that depending on the room, amplification can be a necessary evil. In a smaller church built before about 1960, you can get away with no mikes if you have a choir that can project and has decent diction. Part of the problem is to really make the music thing work, you have to have musicians who are trained to know what they are doing.

I do think that the peace and silence needs to be stressed. Mass is for worship, not a social hour. That's for coffee and donuts afterward.

45 posted on 08/19/2009 5:14:14 AM PDT by Desdemona (True Christianity requires open hearts and open minds - not blind hatred.)
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To: NYer
I'm sure this will offend the entire Catholic folks here, but I was raised in the old "Traditions", have had a dialogue Mass since I was a child ... in Latin then in English, before there was permission, in fact. Oh those awful Carmelite priests of my parish.

I am a Novus Ordo person ... perhaps a VERY OCCASIONAL return to the past would be OK -- but to say all of the negative things I read here as universal faults is pretty "Phariseetic" of many.

Of course, I would OBEY what is dictated by the Magesterium, but to condemn all music that is not a drag as being distracting is a pretty broad brush.

We have three ethnic languages in our Parish, English, Spanish and Tagalog ... all get attention at different Masses. The music goes in hand with the ethnicity of the Mass.

Our "guitars", etc. are respectful and inspire cohesive participation. I love most of it ... I know all of the old Latin Standards as well and understand them ... I'll take the new, particularly those based on the psalms.

I skip most of these threads, but feeling angry and dissassociated is pretty sad for a practicing Catholic to have to feel about those who look down their holy noses at me and those like me.

To insinuate that people are leaving for evangelical type religions is not a reflection on the Services differences, it is more likely the lack of anything but the nicey-nicey babble that is coming from the pulpit in the Catholic Church and the wishy washy Bishops and hierarchy in the Catholic Church in this country.

In no way am I associated or otherwise sympathetic or connected with the new wave schisms in the Church (the rebel sisters, etc), I am just who I am proud to be ... a living, breathing, active participant with all of you in our roles in the Mystical Body of Christ.
46 posted on 08/19/2009 5:16:40 AM PDT by AKA Elena (St Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle -- and this is war!)
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To: BenKenobi; Tax-chick; frogjerk; redhead
Eucharistic ministers (sic)

extraordinary minister of Holy Communion.

The only Eucharistic Minister at Mass is the celebrant.

1. The Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion

[154.] As has already been recalled, “the only minister who can confect the Sacrament of the Eucharist in persona Christi is a validly ordained Priest”.[254] Hence the name “minister of the Eucharist” belongs properly to the Priest alone. Moreover, also by reason of their sacred Ordination, the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion are the Bishop, the Priest and the Deacon,[255] to whom it belongs therefore to administer Holy Communion to the lay members of Christ’s faithful during the celebration of Mass. In this way their ministerial office in the Church is fully and accurately brought to light, and the sign value of the Sacrament is made complete.

[155.] In addition to the ordinary ministers there is the formally instituted acolyte, who by virtue of his institution is an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion even outside the celebration of Mass. If, moreover, reasons of real necessity prompt it, another lay member of Christ’s faithful may also be delegated by the diocesan Bishop, in accordance with the norm of law,[256] for one occasion or for a specified time, and an appropriate formula of blessing may be used for the occasion. This act of appointment, however, does not necessarily take a liturgical form, nor, if it does take a liturgical form, should it resemble sacred Ordination in any way. Finally, in special cases of an unforeseen nature, permission can be given for a single occasion by the Priest who presides at the celebration of the Eucharist.[257]

[156.] This function is to be understood strictly according to the name by which it is known, that is to say, that of extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, and not “special minister of Holy Communion” nor “extraordinary minister of the Eucharist” nor “special minister of the Eucharist”, by which names the meaning of this function is unnecessarily and improperly broadened.

[157.] If there is usually present a sufficient number of sacred ministers for the distribution of Holy Communion, extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion may not be appointed. Indeed, in such circumstances, those who may have already been appointed to this ministry should not exercise it. The practice of those Priests is reprobated who, even though present at the celebration, abstain from distributing Communion and hand this function over to laypersons.[258]

[158.] Indeed, the extraordinary minister of Holy Communion may administer Communion only when the Priest and Deacon are lacking, when the Priest is prevented by weakness or advanced age or some other genuine reason, or when the number of faithful coming to Communion is so great that the very celebration of Mass would be unduly prolonged.[259] This, however, is to be understood in such a way that a brief prolongation, considering the circumstances and culture of the place, is not at all a sufficient reason.

[159.] It is never allowed for the extraordinary minister of Holy Communion to delegate anyone else to administer the Eucharist, as for example a parent or spouse or child of the sick person who is the communicant.

[160.] Let the diocesan Bishop give renewed consideration to the practice in recent years regarding this matter, and if circumstances call for it, let him correct it or define it more precisely. Where such extraordinary ministers are appointed in a widespread manner out of true necessity, the diocesan Bishop should issue special norms by which he determines the manner in which this function is to be carried out in accordance with the law, bearing in mind the tradition of the Church.

47 posted on 08/19/2009 6:05:23 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
The only Eucharistic Minister at Mass is the celebrant.

Or the deacon, in a more limited sense. But thanks for calling attention to this abuse of terms. It's important.

48 posted on 08/19/2009 7:13:56 AM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: AKA Elena
If it is respectful, and consistent with the ethnic culture of your parish, then of course it is no problem.

The problem is not being 'holier than thou' - and you might hesitate before accusing others of that, isn't that itself 'holier than thou'? (you can go round and round with that one - relativism in disguise) - but being aware of abuses of the liturgy.

It's one thing to have music that is familiar and consistent with the traditions of the congregation -- quite another to have innovation just for the sake of innovation. Rome has made it quite clear that things that are appropriate culturally are one thing (dancing in Africa for example), while adopting things that are inappropriate culturally is wrong.

What we have seen in ordinary suburban American parishes is an almost frantic adoption of multi-culti, exhibitionist practices that are not holy or conducive to worship but completely foreign to the tradition. Many times they come straight from Hollywood and Broadway and pop or rock music.

Many of us call for a turning back to the older traditions of a quiet, reverent Mass, chant, Renaissance polyphony and traditional hymns as a counterweight to what Kipling called "The Lust for Newness". It's not holier than thou, but a desire for holiness that drives this.

It's a real shame when the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Real Presence are hidden by raucous pop music, glad-handing, and failure to abide by the norms.

Music and reverent celebration by themselves mean nothing, of course. As I said before, the Episcopalians are a bunch of screaming heretics, but in some quarters they retain the knowledge of good music and even reverent celebration.

Still, it seems to me a real shame when the Episcopalians 'get it', but Catholics don't abide by the Holy Father's explicit directions for reverence in music and liturgy, and even worse don't abide by the actual instructions of VCII but some goofy idea of the 'spirit of VCII' which is just their own inclinations.

49 posted on 08/19/2009 8:53:13 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AKA Elena

I truly appreciate and agree with your commentary. Thanks for the post and ping.


50 posted on 08/19/2009 9:51:32 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: lupie
Why is this in the Evangelical Christian sidebar? You do this frequently.

The author makes specific references to the Evangelical Church.

51 posted on 08/19/2009 9:54:38 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

This is one of my pet peeves. I always address them as Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. It was funny at first, because even the staff thought I was mistaken, but the priest said I was right! LOL!


52 posted on 08/19/2009 9:57:09 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: NYer
Here's something radical. Why not actually chant the Propers of the Mass? You know, the Introit, the Gradual and Alleluia, the Offertory Verse and the Communion Verse.

For example, instead of a "gathering song" (gag) have the choir chant the Introit. For this coming Sunday (unfortunate minimalist translation): Listen, Lord, and answer me. Save your servant who trusts in you. I call to you all day long, have mercy on me, O Lord.

The Anglican Use Gradual (which we use in our Novus Ordo Masses): Bow down, O Lord, thine ear to me and hear me: O my God, save Thy servant that trusteth in Thee; have mercy upon me. O Lord, for I have called daily upon Thee.

How many parishes' music directors ever consider the Propers? They're mostly ignored and yet they should be primary in the music of the Mass. They're integral to the structure of each Sunday's Mass. Yet hardly any parish uses this most proper option.

Instead we have the four-hymn sandwich. A hymn, however dignified and stately and beautiful is no match for the actual Proper that belongs to those parts we've been accustomed to hearing and singing a liturgical song.

The structure of the Mass is compromised when all we rely on are the hymns. To recover what is truly Catholic, recover the Propers. Plain and simple. Then you get away from this debate on stylistic choices.

Fr. Columba Kelly has been writing them for years in a hermeneutic of continuity with tradition. They're simply breathtaking and in the vernacular. The Arbogast Complete English Propers has them. And Richard Rice has just complete the Simple Choral Gradual for the whole church year that is accessible for choirs and parishes that are not yet able to do Gregorian chant.

These are free! No longer does your parish have to be slaves to the OCP/GIA monopoly on church music. These people are offering this to the church for free. And the music is gorgeous.

And no, I do not work for the CMAA. Just an ordinary and obscure musician working in the hermeneutic of continuity and for the reform of the reform.

Sancta Cecilia, ora pro nobis.

53 posted on 08/19/2009 10:27:01 AM PDT by Carolina (Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesiae)
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To: Carolina
Hurrah! Couldn't agree more.

We sometimes chant the Proper as a prelude. Our two young Parochial Vicars are intensely interested in bringing back chant, and the music director and choir are happy to oblige....

54 posted on 08/19/2009 11:21:32 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Carolina

And how great that you have the AU. Still trying to convince our
man to try Anglican chant .


55 posted on 08/19/2009 11:23:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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Interesting how many novus ordo types judge the value of a Mass by its entertainment quotient and essentially its resemblance to a Hannah Montana concert (complete with hugs and kisses and liberal social commentary).
56 posted on 08/19/2009 11:34:42 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Carolina
Many years ago, three other girls in the seventh and I believe, four in the eighth grade in my Parish, were chosen to chant the prayers that make up the Proper of the Mass every Sunday.

We were in practice every lunch hour and there were four endings to each sentence (or pause, or change) in rotation for each prayer, that was all. It was actual chanting without flourish with the endings consecutively sung.

We were also the basis of all the Liturgical singing during Eastertide. It was said that we were very good, I would never have known from where I stood.

I remember we were always asked by Sister Ellen Dolores, O.P., to please refrain from any milk or ice cream with our lunches.I remember the endings also, and am sometimes surprised at the variation of today, especially in the Alleluia.

I'd still not "gag" at the "gathering song", but do find the Hidden in another room Tabernacle offensive and particularly find the use of glass for Consecration of the Eucharist a far cry from the precious metals that would Honor Him.

I will repeat, I believe that the difference in how we worship and are holy is one thing ... how the hierarchy ducks the most important teachings of morality is what we should be talking and acting about.

When people complain of Communion in the Hand (I have never done this, myself) and don't stop to remember the mores of Christ's time, there is a disconnect for me.

FR just does not strike me as a place to air liturgical disgust and serves the Church in no responsible manner, IMOHO.

Fighting the evils of the world such as Abortion and Homosexuality seems a more fitting type of Activism.

I won't crash this thread again, I promise. I hate giving the idea to anyone that I am ignorant of my Faith or share no understanding (even if I do not agree with their liturgical fervor) of some of the current disaffection that many have with rites and practices.

I just feel an activist Forum would more rightly be served without airing Liturgical dissatisfaction, by a concerted effort to fight against the lack of real teaching we should be receiving from the pulpit, but are not.
57 posted on 08/19/2009 12:25:24 PM PDT by AKA Elena (St Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle -- and this is war!)
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To: NYer

How about just standing through like (most) the Orthodox do rather than sit in pews?


58 posted on 08/19/2009 1:03:11 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: AKA Elena

Lex orandi, lex credendi.


59 posted on 08/19/2009 1:06:31 PM PDT by Carolina (Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesiae)
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To: NYer

If the author doew mention evangelicals, it is not easily seen. Glancing through it three times, I saw the word Protestant, but not evangelical. That is because it really has nothing to do with evangelical beliefs and probably does not belong in the evangelical sideabar.


60 posted on 08/19/2009 1:44:22 PM PDT by lupie
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