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Excerpts of Kennedy letter to pope and response
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Posted on 08/30/2009 5:31:48 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Marysecretary
It may be as you say, Marysecretary. And yet it is all entirely in God's hands.

I sorrow for the loss of the young ones and the agony of their families. I pray God's blessings on them all, and on you, who also sorrow and suffer. My heart goes out to you, each and all, and I lift my prayers to God on your behalf.

As for my late senator, that's between God and himself only. Personally, I regard him as an utterly faithless Catholic, a "cafeteria Catholic," thus a nominal Catholic, a Catholic "in name only."

He might have "talked the talk," but assuredly he did not "walk the walk."

However. R.I.P. May God have mercy on his soul.

81 posted on 08/30/2009 6:18:01 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: betty boop

Thank you, betty boop. It’s such a tragic waste but God knows. I guess none of us will ever know for sure — in this life — where Kennedy is spending eternity. I, too, pray he made a commitment to Jesus Christ before he died and repented of his many sins. Love, M


82 posted on 08/30/2009 6:26:33 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: NYer

How does McCarrick know this? He was never Kennedy’s bishop.


83 posted on 08/30/2009 7:22:30 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a this "Health" Bill--or lose reelection)
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To: ducdriver
I'm not expecting the Pope to act as a parish priest. But it seems to me those he personally receives, and the correspondence he personally accepts, warrants his personal attention.
84 posted on 08/30/2009 8:26:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

Truly I believe the Pope has a lot on his plate battling back the liberation theology which has become so popular - and also the rogue element within the priesthood and church membership which clings to the label "Catholic" only when it is politically convenient.

Lately I have been meditating on how things would be in this world if those who said they believe in Christ actually realized that He IS.

85 posted on 08/30/2009 8:32:10 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Marysecretary
I would ask this precious one if they knew the Lord Jesus Christ in a personal way for that is the only way to salvation.

Beautiful! Thank you oh so very much for your insight, dear sister in Christ!

86 posted on 08/30/2009 8:34:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: NYer

It should be remembered that Cardinal McCarrick was the one who mischaracterized the memo from then-Cardinal Ratzinger to the USCCB regarding withholding communion from pro-abort politicians.

I have no doubt that he may be engaging in some of the same sort of selectivity in these excerpts.


87 posted on 08/30/2009 11:54:19 PM PDT by clockwise
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To: NYer

From all I’ve seen posted at FR and elsewhere about the state of the Jesuits for the past 40-50 years, they are probably responsible for separating many, many Catholics from the Faith and into political expediency. When the Catechism and formal Church documents are so clear about where the Church stands, it boggles my mind that there is so much fuzziness, or that those appointed to be “leaders” and “teachers” like the Jesuits find so many ways to muddy the waters. What was it St. Paul said, in the last days men will seek teachers who will tickle their ears with what they want to hear?


88 posted on 08/31/2009 4:30:57 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies - C.S. Lewis)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Sounds to me that Teddy was extremely fearful of meeting his maker and was greasing the skids...as well he should have given his failings as a Christian.

Exactly how I see it. It's a true politician's letter. It reads like a job application sent to the CEO's best pal. "I've done X, Y and Z......now could you please go talk to the boss and put in a good word for me before I have to go into his office?"

It's almost as if he's saying "if the Pope buys this, maybe God will, too".

I find it tragic beyond words.

89 posted on 08/31/2009 6:52:56 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Marysecretary

Ted Kennedy’s letter is indicative of poor advice he was getting from his “priests”. Blind leading the blind. His supposedly good deeds can never cancel out his “personal failings”. Only the blood of Christ can cleanse us from our sins. His last days should been spent meditating on CHrist’s atonement and God’s redemption plan. It reminds me of story Luther told from his Commentary on Galations about an early christian named Ansalem. Ansalem minstered to men on their death bed by recounting Jesus’s teaching about the tax collector who cried out “God have mercy on me a sinner” and that they should take that approach when they pass on.


90 posted on 08/31/2009 1:01:32 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Augustinian monk

You’re so right.


91 posted on 08/31/2009 1:09:26 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: xzins

***The Pope dissed Teddy.***

Not really. I think that the perspective of Kennedy as treated by the Church was on point and very effective.

1. No funeral at the Cathedral.
2. No celebration by the Archbishop.
3. An unemotional and stony Archbishop sitting in the second row.
4. A wish from the Pope that each man surrender himself to Jesus.

I think that the treatment by the Church was right on point and a reminder to Kennedy about his place in God’s Creation, rather than God’s place in Kennedy’s creation.


92 posted on 08/31/2009 4:55:07 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

***Truly, that disappoints me all the more. I cannot imagine a minister turning his back on even the most difficult member of his church. ***

I think that this was more a demonstration of the Church as to Kennedy’s place in Creation.


93 posted on 08/31/2009 4:56:14 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: P-Marlowe

***To be honest, just as he didn’t care about the fate of the unborn, I don’t care about his. He’s in God’s hands now and no amount of speculating about whether he had some deathbed confession that saved his soul is going to change anything.***

We are charged to bring God’s message to all men and it is way above our pay grade to Judge Ted Kennedy. He is dead and buried and his fate is most certainly in God’s hands. To my personal discredit, I have as much if not more contempt for him than most people here. He and the whelps of the gangster Joe Kennedy have sullied the name of Catholicism as much as the Borgias ever did.

Let us go on and invest our efforts in the living; let the dead be the province of God.


94 posted on 08/31/2009 5:01:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
95 posted on 08/31/2009 7:17:36 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

***Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ! ***

Do you think that they were really insightful? :)


96 posted on 09/01/2009 5:11:40 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Yes, indeed. Several have commented that the reply was accurate, helpful and also dismissive, but yours is the only I've seen that says it put Kennedy in his place wrt Creation. That is a lot more than dismissive, e.g. heighth and depth.
97 posted on 09/01/2009 8:42:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks.

I was bemused by those calling for no Catholic funeral for somebody who was at least nominally Catholic and not excommunicated. We really are a Church of sinners; some make that point better than others...


98 posted on 09/02/2009 7:18:18 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
We really are a Church of sinners; some make that point better than others...

LOLOL! Truly said, though. Count me among the sinners saved by Christ.

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

99 posted on 09/02/2009 8:57:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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