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To: babble-on; Zionist Conspirator
Most modern Jews trace their tradition - including the Bible they use to The Masoretic Text written between the seventh and tenth centuries AD which matches the article's claim that this chicken swinging tradition in Judaism is a thousand years old only.

The Orthodox Church uses the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the original Hebrew made in the 3rd to 2nd centuries BC. There is no older surviving version of the Old Testament than the Greek language Bible.

That is the basis of my claim refuting Zionist Conspirator's claim of this brand of Judaism being "an older one" than the Orthodox Church/Apostolic Churches.

15 posted on 10/01/2009 11:29:49 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777; babble-on
Most modern Jews trace their tradition - including the Bible they use to The Masoretic Text written between the seventh and tenth centuries AD

The Masoretic Text refers to the vowel points and punctuation marks which have never been present in the kosher Torah Scrolls used in Jewish worship. The Written Torah consists of consonants only; the Tiberian Massoretes merely came up with vowel and punctuation marks for writing out the text so it could be learned by the reader who has to read an unpointed text. Before the Tiberian Massoretes other groups (such as the Babylonian Jewish community) also had their own marks for creating tiqqunim, or "practice" texts. The Biblica Hebraica Stuttgartensia is also one of these "practice" texts. The original Torah is preserved only on the kosher scrolls used in Jewish worship, and these have no vowels or punctuation whatsoever.

which matches the article's claim that this chicken swinging tradition in Judaism is a thousand years old only.

Kapporet is a minhag (custom), not a mitzvah (commandment), of either the Torah or the Rabbis. As a matter of fact it is, as the article states, controversial. One rabbi (I forget which one) said that not only should it not be done, but people should go out and forcibly prevent others from performing it. I am not competent to decide in such matters.

The Orthodox Church uses the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the original Hebrew made in the 3rd to 2nd centuries BC. There is no older surviving version of the Old Testament than the Greek language Bible.

The Greek language Bible was translated from what? From an unpointed text or from a pointed tiqqun text? Do you know? If from the former then it had to have been from the same unpointed Torah text used by all Jews from Sinai down to this day. If a pointed text--well, different groups used different marks, and there were always heretical groups like Qumran who changed the text to push their own ideology. Of course, translating the word "anointed" to the Greek christos in and of itself, I suppose, makes the text seem "more chr*stian" if one doesn't know any better.

That is the basis of my claim refuting Zionist Conspirator's claim of this brand of Judaism being "an older one" than the Orthodox Church/Apostolic Churches.

Then your claim has flopped. Besides, as I said earlier, as an Eastern Orthodox you don't believe in J*sus's death as a sin offering to begin with but as a ransom paid to "the devil"--correct?

18 posted on 10/01/2009 12:39:33 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Basukkot teshevu shiv`at yamim; kol-ha'ezrach beYisra'el yeshevu basukkot.)
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