Posted on 10/03/2009 7:01:58 AM PDT by DouglasKC
There is an association insofar as the Passover was the old covenant expression that has been replaced by the new covenant reality of the Lord’s Supper.
Since old covenant Passover was a bloody sacrifice with a particular cultic expression, and since the sacrifice of the Lamb of God ended all the old covenant bloody sacrifices and universalized the sacrament, there is no direct relationship anymore. Therefore the Church, as the new covenant people of God, royal priesthood and holy nation, celebrates it in a different fashion. No animals, no distinct priesthood (we are all priests of God) and weekly (“often”) as opposed to annually (1 Cor. 11:17ff).
Do you celebrate Pesach ?
If you are speaking of the old covenant, cultic ritual, the answer is “no.” No one does.
Christ is our Passover. I celebrate Him.
Apparently? Really?
The Sabbath was a creation ordinance and is universal. The thing that changed from old covenant to new was the day, from the last day of the week (relating to the first Adam) to the first day of the week (relating to the second Adam).
The other festivals and feast days all had to do with the covenant God made with Israel in the wilderness from Egypt to Sinai. They were all bloody and they have all passed away.
You nailed it.
I don’t think so.
This is simply not true. The Feast days were in existence prior to Sinai as Douglas has indicated by his scripture references. As indicated in my previous post I believe they also proceeded the captivity itself. Irregardless....the Feast Days had nothing to do with the Old Covenant.
If they have all passed away why do you suppose God would be having the Nations all celebrating Tabernacles during the Millennium [Zechariah 14:16-19]? Wouldn't that be somewhat redundant?
Can you tell us all when they were abolished. Is there a record in the new scriptures?
“For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ The Lord.” Luke 2:11.
Is this a past or future event in your theology? Has it already happened?
I think it makes sense that God revealed his feasts to his followers very early. For example:
Gen 14:18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.
Melchizedek was a priest of God. Apparently there was some sort of worship system in place. I think it's reasonable to assume that Israel got immersed into the pagan culture of Egypt and had to be reacquainted with the ways of the Lord after coming out of captivity.
Yup.....you're right! My favorite example has always been: [Genesis 22:1-8] 1 And it cometh to pass after these things that God hath tried Abraham, and saith unto him, 'Abraham;' and he saith, 'Here am I.' 2 And He saith, 'Take, I pray thee, thy son, thine only one, whom thou hast loved, even Isaac, and go for thyself unto the land of Moriah, and cause him to ascend there for a burnt-offering on one of the mountains of which I speak unto thee.' 3 And Abraham riseth early in the morning, and saddleth his ass, and taketh two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and he cleaveth the wood of the burnt-offering, and riseth and goeth unto the place of which God hath spoken to him. 4 On the third day -- Abraham lifteth up his eyes, and seeth the place from afar; 5 and Abraham saith unto his young men, 'Remain by yourselves here with the ass, and I and the youth go yonder and worship, and turn back unto you.' 6 And Abraham taketh the wood of the burnt-offering, and placeth on Isaac his son, and he taketh in his hand the fire, and the knife; and they go on both of them together. 7 And Isaac speaketh unto Abraham his father, and saith, 'My father,' and he saith, 'Here am I, my son.' And he saith, 'Lo, the fire and the wood, and where the lamb for a burnt-offering?' 8 and Abraham saith, 'God doth provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son;' and they go on both of them together.
God has selected Isaac on the 10th day [Exodus 12:3] and in our example [Genesis 22:2].
The next day (verse 3) Abraham gets up, takes Isaac and two of his men and sets out for Mt. Moriah. This would be the 11th day of the month. Mt. Moriah is Jerusalem itself, [II Chronicles 3:1].
On the 3rd day from the morning they set out (verse 4, now the 14th of the month)[Exodus 12:6] they see the place in the distance and Abraham, telling his men to await him..... takes his boy up the mountain. He makes Isaac carry the wood for the sacrifice the same as a later Son, who was sacrificed by His Father also.....carried His own wood in the form of a crucifixion stake. This latter sacrifice also took place on Mt. Moriah..... on Passover in preparation for The Feast of Unleavened Bread. It also was a Lamb of God (verse 8) that was sacrificed [I Peter 1:19].
Verse 2 is the first place in the scriptures where love for another human being is expressed, and it speaks of a father's love for his son. Isaac is called Abraham's "Only" son (verse 2) much the same as this scripture tells us: [John 3:16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his "Only" begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Also [John 3:35] The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
This is true...but only if one elevates tradition over scripture. Biblically, and thus authoritatively, the 7th day sabbath is, was and always will be the sabbath of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's enshrined in the 10 commandments:
Exo 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
The other festivals and feast days all had to do with the covenant God made with Israel in the wilderness from Egypt to Sinai.
As seen in earlier posts these feast days ARE the property of the Lord Jesus Christ and exist independently of any covenant relationship. They were all bloody and they have all passed away.
The other festivals and feast days all had to do with the covenant God made with Israel in the wilderness from Egypt to Sinai.
As seen in earlier posts these feast days ARE the property of the Lord Jesus Christ and exist independently of any covenant relationship.
Hi Doug and everyone else:
It has been a while since I’ve posted but your article caught my attention. I agree with the general theme of what he is saying about what the feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) represents but he doesn’t really get to the meat. It needs a bit of polishing up to bring up the clarity and much more specific points which I’m about to bring up. For the sake of time, I’ll try to keep it as short as possible. All of the feasts (Unleavened bread, Pentecosts, Sukkot) were given in the Old as signs so that in the future when a major event on earth occurred it would be associated with a feast and Hashem’s people would recognize or associate the event with the meaning of the feast. Keep in mind that the celestial bodies in the heavens also play an important role since the true calendar for these feast days is lunar and there is much more just on this topic. The solar calendar is Roman and I think most of us know who “changed the times” in order to confuse Hashem’s people so they would not recognize the “time” of their redemption when it would arrive. Let’s continue, for example, Yeshua’s death is the event in the New that fullfils the prophetic event of the Passover and the feast of Unleavened bread of the old. It represented freedom from being a captive of Satan(sin). Just as Moses led the Israelites from the captivity of Egypt on the Passover/Feast of Unleavened bread, Yeshua died on the same date and feast so his people could recognize that he was setting them free from captivity (dispersed from their inheritance) that is spoken of so many times which refers to sin (idolatrous practices) which is from Satan. His death was not the redemption (it was the price he paid for the bride), but made it possible, provided she was obedient to his commandments, the future redemption of a remnant (not all) of his people. Reason being for not all is there are many that have fallen into apostate religions (”Come out of her my people”). How many keep the 7th day Sabbath which, by the way, is a prophetic sign of a future event.
Now let’s get to Sukkot. The feast of tabernacles is when redemption occurs and the remnant returns to their inheritance of the perpetual Abrahamic pact which was lost in the Old due to idolatry (1kings11, 2kings17). The last day is the 8th day (22nd day of the feast) and represents a day of solemnity. It is a sabbath. That prophetic day is prophetically fulfilled in the year beginning 1 Tishri 5776 (2015) which is the beginning of a Jubilee (means return to your possession or redemption in the earthly kingdom) of Jubilees (50 forty-nine year periods)since the first Jubilee (3326) after the restoration of the second temple Zorababel/Ezra/Nehemia. Another point. The following year is 5777. Three sevens in a row. The number 7 represents completion. As a good study assignment, investigate some more signs such as to eclipses of the moon and the sun around those specific dates. It may amaze you.
A little off topic, but my mother used to always make Sukkotash which is a common dish in south Louisiana. She new nothing about Scripture and much less about Sukkot. If anyone has any clue or info concerning this dish and it’s origin, please advise.
Blessings in your search for Truth.
Hi Harry,
Long time, no see!
Webster’s spells it succotash and says the name is of Algonquin (American Indian) origination. It is corn and beans cooked together and probably is not related to anything Hebrew.
Thus says your tradition.
As seen in earlier posts these feast days ARE the property of the Lord Jesus Christ and exist independently of any covenant relationship.
Hardly.
They were all bloody and they have all passed away.
Amen.
It is still future.
I would have to see more proof to say yes or no. Remember the current day feast of Ingathering used by some churches is really the feast of Sukkot which we also commonly call Thanksgiving and comes in the fall after the harvest. The early European settlers (Pilgrims, Puritans) were all very Christian Bible followers and traded corn with the Indians. I find it strange that the American Indians would have the word “succot”ash as part of their language. That would be like saying McPatrick is a Japanese name. I think anyone with a little common sense can see that “succot” appears more like “sukkot” than Algonquin which almost seems like the same origin as Obama. Just kidding of course. I’m through with that.
Blessings in your search for the TRUTH.
It just smacks of Scripture twisting.
There were no obligatory, annual festivals/feast days formulated anywhere in the Bible apart from Moses and the children of Israel as they ventured from Egypt to Sinai. They were all part of the temporary shadows given to the children of Israel to point to the coming Messiah. They were all bloody. They have all passed away since the once-for-all-time sacrifice of the lamb of God.
Not at all, since I’m able to understand all those promises/prophecies in light of the fuller revelation of the NT. They are all fulfilled in Christ Himself. All the Scripture is about Christ (Luke 24:27).
Succotash (from Narragansett msíckquatash, "boiled corn kernels") is a food dish consisting … ( Wikipedia)
Nothing to do with Sukkot.
Neither does msíckqua.
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