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In The Beginning God, Not Darwin, Created
Post Scripts ^ | 10/11/09 | One Vike

Posted on 10/11/2009 6:56:59 AM PDT by OneVike

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There was an article I posted from Answers Magazine that pointed out how conservative churches are losing their children to the ways of the world while they are still in Junior and Senior High school. They surveyed only conservative churches and found out that those churches who teach theistic evolution and teach the Bible in Sunday school classes like they were cute stories but give no hard historical evidence to back the stories up, do not properly prepare the children to withstand the secular lies of public education. Even many Christian private schools now teach theistic evolution.

I have heard many say that it is the parents job also to prepare the children, and while I do agree, part of the problem is that even many conservative Christian parents believe in theistic evolution. Any wonder the children lose their faith? How can we expect the children to grow up believing in the miracles of Jesus, thus in Jesus as being God Himself, when even conservative Christian adults compromise by saying that Darwin, not the Bible is right? And ultimately, how can we expect young children to keep their faith in the Scriptures and stay in the fold of Christianity, when their own parents hold to such beliefs as OEC, Theistic Evolution, and the Gap Theory?
1 posted on 10/11/2009 6:56:59 AM PDT by OneVike
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To: OneVike

As you have correctly posted this in the religion forum, where it belongs, I will respect your faith and not critique the article (though the title is bothersome; I know the author is trying to be cute, but surely no one thinks Darwin created anything other than an idea.)

I would, however, like to point out to those who continue to post endless creationist tracts in the “news” forum should take a tip from OneVike and post them ALL here, in religion.

Thank you.


2 posted on 10/11/2009 7:03:28 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Whenifhow; rom; Hanna548; leftyontheright; FrdmLvr; jblann1; SendShaqtoIraq; ...
My article ping.

This is my article on why I believe that Old Earth Creationism, Theistic Evolution, and the Gap Theory is wrong.

This should be s good discussion and it needs to be had, so join in and give your two cents worth on this debate.

If anyone wants added or removed from my ping list please freepmail me.
3 posted on 10/11/2009 7:05:59 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Just don’t have enough Faith to believe in Darwinism. Perhaps if after 150 yrs and all the kings men they found the missing link they might have some credibility. God is Great!

Pray for America and Our Troops


4 posted on 10/11/2009 7:08:54 AM PDT by bray (Hope and Corruption)
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To: OneVike
Humble people who seek the truth have a tendency to say "Who am I to think that I have all the answers? Perhaps my thinking needs to be modified just a bit. Perhaps my opponent's argument is not completely wrong."

Arrogant people who have an agenda have a tendency to say "I'm right. You're wrong. Shut up. Get off the stage. I'm prepared to say anything at all as long as I "win" this argument. I'm prepared to be a slippery fish and change my argument as often as needed to throw you off. The important thing is that you lose and I win."

I associate the second style of thinking with Leftists, and with supporters of Evolution. These people will not compromise, but they count very heavily on the idea that their opponents are likely to compromise and thereby incrementally lose the whole argument.

5 posted on 10/11/2009 7:12:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: OneVike
Those kids better look over their shoulders. Looks like that place is prone to some hellacious longhorn stampedes.


6 posted on 10/11/2009 7:14:00 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: OneVike
In like manner, Christian micro-evolutionists believe that all dogs in the world today have evolved within the species from two dogs Noah brought onto the Ark,

Maybe he started with more but the Tyrannosaurs ate them.

7 posted on 10/11/2009 7:20:27 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

The tyrannosaurs were Korean?


8 posted on 10/11/2009 7:30:53 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: humblegunner

The Great Lincoln-Darwin Debate

Part 1: http://tiny.cc/oWVcZ

Part 2: http://tiny.cc/WI2zO


9 posted on 10/11/2009 7:31:38 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (A Socialist becomes a Fascist the minute he tries to enforce his "beliefs" on the rest of us.)
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To: OneVike
Some verses to consider....

God clearly says that He created man and animals from dust (the dust of the earth). If He had used evolutioin, He certainly didn't indicate that.

Gen 2:7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Gen 2:19 Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.

Jesus taught that Adam and Eve were created. He even quotes the Scripture in Genesis, verifying that it is true.

Mat 19:3-5 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?

Peter, which many see as the first pope, speaks of the Flood as a fact.

I Peter 3: 18-20 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

II Peter 2:5 ...if he did not spare the ancient world, but(L) preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;

II Peter 3:5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.

Peter also speaks on the inspiration of Scripture.

II Peter 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

In order for evolution to occur and the Flood to not be true, Scripture has to be declared a lie.

The issue most creationists have with the evolutionists is just that. And it then does raise the legitimate question about whether one can really be a Christian and not believe God's Word.

10 posted on 10/11/2009 7:33:38 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gordon Greene; ColdWater; Liberty1970; spinestein; count-your-change; lefty-lie-spy; ...
I took your name from the thread titled Ho-Hum, Another Feathered Dinosaur. It was posted last week and the debate sparked my interest in writing this article. It is a direct result from a long discussion about evolution and creationism.

If interested then stop by if not then ignore this ping. If I have pinged you twice then I apologize.
11 posted on 10/11/2009 7:36:13 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: whattajoke; OneVike; Jim Robinson; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; valkyry1; Mr. Silverback; ...

Sheesh. How condescending. Who elected you owner of the forum?

Now that we have your approval for placement of the thread, do we have your permission to continue the discussion?

Are you going to take it on yourself to moderate and referee it as well?


12 posted on 10/11/2009 7:36:53 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I was thinking along the same line as you, thanks for saying what I was thinking...


14 posted on 10/11/2009 7:41:06 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: metmom

Why does it bother you that some people don’t think it’s an appropriate subject for political activism?


15 posted on 10/11/2009 7:45:26 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2349650/posts

Ultimately, like I stated in my article that is the choice we as Christians have. Do we believe He is who He says He is. If He is the Creator of the universe then we cannot disbelieve His word, for if we disbelieve His Word we disbelieve in Him. He Is The Word.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.John 1:103
Who are we to say He is wrong? By doing so we question His power and authority, thus like I said we then would be on the cusp of committing blasphemy.
16 posted on 10/11/2009 7:49:47 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: metmom

Yeah- the evos love posting hteir religious idea out in full public view- but mention God, creation or ANY evidence which refutes their religious ideas, and they go to pieces screaming about the threads beign in the ‘wrong forums’ DESPITE the fact that the threads contain science and discoveries that BELONG in the news sections- They can’t stand the fact that the news and discoveries are makign front page- and apparently feel that discussions abotu science that contain mentions of Creation are ‘ok’ but ONLY if buried in forums that noone visits much- that way their religious ideas about evolution are safe and snug from open criticism- it’s much like Darwkins refusing to debate Creationists- they simpyl can’t tolorate having hteir religious ideas criticised and exposed openly- Thank goodness though Jim runs htis site and not DC kids- science discussions and discoveries and opinions belong in front page discussions- this is somehtign hte DC kids are just goign to have to deal with- not sure they can though as they’ve been told over and over again by Jim that if they don;t like it they can take a hike


17 posted on 10/11/2009 7:51:37 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: metmom
Ooops!, I am not sure how I did that, but it was supposed to have a quote from what you wrote like this.

The issue most creationists have with the evolutionists is just that. And it then does raise the legitimate question about whether one can really be a Christian and not believe God's Word.

Ultimately, like I stated in my article that is the choice we as Christians have. Do we believe He is who He says He is. If He is the Creator of the universe then we cannot disbelieve His word, for if we disbelieve His Word we disbelieve in Him. He Is The Word.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.John 1:103
Who are we to say He is wrong? By doing so we question His power and authority, thus like I said we then would be on the cusp of committing blasphemy.
18 posted on 10/11/2009 7:52:20 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: tacticalogic

How clueless you are.....


19 posted on 10/11/2009 7:52:55 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Larry Lucido

And ronery too.


20 posted on 10/11/2009 7:53:04 AM PDT by humblegunner
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