It translates poorly I think. :)
In fact it is consistent - if you have a desire to do what God wants you to do, and you die in a state of Grace as a Gift from God that saves you - you have been subject to exactly what every Pope (and every other Bishop) would want for you, a happy death and the Eternal Beatific Vision.
“It translates poorly I think. :)”
Oh, I don’t know. The Latin isn’t that complex. How would you translate this:
“Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanae creaturae declaramus dicimus, definimus et pronunciamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis.”
“In fact it is consistent - if you have a desire to do what God wants you to do, and you die in a state of Grace as a Gift from God that saves you - you have been subject to exactly what every Pope (and every other Bishop) would want for you, a happy death and the Eternal Beatific Vision.”
Well that all sounds very nice, but its not what the Latin of Unam Sanctam says at all.
This Bull really is something of a tar baby for those who insist that no Pope has ever been fallible while declaring “dogma”. Of course, its really nothing more than a rehash of the 11th century Dictatus Papae of Gregory VII. The politics surrounding its issuance, Boniface VIII’s condemnation as a heretic by a council of bishops and archbishops and his death soon thereafter on account of embarrassment it is claimed, make for a somewhat less than spiritually inspiring backdrop for this unfortunate and innovative “dogma” of the Latin Church.
Narses, I love your pro-life work here on FR.
I hope you’ll keep me on your pro-life ping list and I hope that you will allow me to have this post remain on this thread, since you invited me with a ping, and your original post hits one of the reasons I’m not Catholic.
I hope you know that I have posted on other threads in an effort to calm our rhetoric in an effort to show that we Christians are one in the love of our God and our belief in Jesus Christ. I have a very low tolerance for the restrictions on the caucus threads. These appear to me to be “nah-naah, you can’t touch me!” threads.
I do not accept that any man or woman other than Jesus Christ himself has ever been infallible. There cannot be a reliance on a Pope.
The New Testament — whichever versions or translations you accept — tell us of the strong disputes between Peter and the rest of the church at Jerusalem, between Peter and Paul, (between Paul, Peter, and just about all of the people they worked with, at one time) and between the followers of the different apostles and those who followed them. Peter actually denied Christ during His trial. Acts 15 tells us that the council in Jerusalem directed Peter to admonish us not to eat meat sacrificed to idols, but Paul contradicted this commandment in Romans.
My strongest argument against the necessity of belonging to the Roman Catholic Church is my belief that I am saved the same way that Abraham was saved before there was a Roman Catholic Church: by the fact that God so loved the world that He gave His only Son. The Lord provided the sacrifice in place of my sins, just as He did to protect Isaac and his father.