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To: DouglasKC; Godzilla

Yes, I’m a Christian. Based on your church’s theology, you are not.

Examples include:

“Doctrinal distinctives include:

* Belief in a non-Trinitarian view of God. Specifically, the belief that the Holy Spirit is the spirit/power of God and of Christ Jesus rather than a separate person in the Godhead. God ‘the Father’ and Jesus Christ are viewed as distinct ‘God beings’ in a ‘God family’.[1] [2][3] [4]
* Belief that Christians are part of the family of God and will at their resurrection be “spirit-born divine beings who are part of Elohim, the universe-ruling family of God.” [5]
* Belief that the core of Jesus Christ’s message was the coming of a literal earthly Kingdom [6][7] and that people who are saved will not go to heaven but will live and rule eternally with Jesus Christ after his second coming. [8]
* Belief that the final destination of the wicked is not everlasting torture but annihilation or permanent destruction. [9] ...
* Belief that Old Covenant laws (excluding ancient civil laws and temple laws) are applicable to Christians today.[11] Examples include seventh-day Sabbath,[12] dietary laws,[13] and Holy Days.[14]”


89 posted on 11/01/2009 7:30:40 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers; DouglasKC
Belief in a non-Trinitarian view of God. Specifically, the belief that the Holy Spirit is the spirit/power of God and of Christ Jesus rather than a separate person in the Godhead. God ‘the Father’ and Jesus Christ are viewed as distinct ‘God beings’ in a ‘God family’

Polytheism. How God is not a trinity and the Spirit of God is not a person. (This was long a heretical doctrine. How on earth can anybody claim that Armstrong “restored” a lost teaching when the teaching was always around but was rejected for the very sound reason that the Scriptures do indeed reveal God to be a Holy Trinity? The teaching that God is not a trinity and the Holy Spirit is not a person was 'alive and healthy' among Unitarians long before Armstrong was born. Unitarianism emerged in 16th century England and Hungary. Nothing new in Armstrong's approach. It was 'old hat' but rejected for solid scriptural reasons! So in what sense can Armstrong have “restored” it?)

Belief that Christians are part of the family of God and will at their resurrection be “spirit-born divine beings who are part of Elohim, the universe-ruling family of God.”

The Purpose of God – and how He is reproducing Himself through mankind. (Again, there is nothing new about this heretical teaching since Mormons already held it. The teaching does not occur in the Bible so mainline Christianity rejected it for wholly biblical reasons).

Yes, distinctive - distinctively not orthodox Christianity, built upon a flawed theological basis.

91 posted on 11/01/2009 7:46:52 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Mr Rogers
Yes, I’m a Christian. Based on your church’s theology, you are not.

I'll readily admit that some of what I believe disagrees with the traditions of some Christian churches. But they are tradition and as such they're not the benchmark of Christianity.

It's the indwelling spirit of Christ that makes me a Christian. Not what you believe or what any other man believes. Christ alone is able to make a righteous determination of whether or not God's spirit dwells in me.

However, there are inward and outward evidences of the spirit of God:

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

While not having God's spirit or ignoring God's spirit is:

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told [you] in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

As far as doctrine, I've been on this board a long time and I've discussed each one of those points many many times. You're welcome to go through my posting history and see my views on them. But this thread is specific and I'd like to keep it to the subject at hand.

Oh...and here's what the first century church considered foundational doctrines of Christianity:

Hbr 6:1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Hbr 6:2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

93 posted on 11/02/2009 5:44:09 AM PST by DouglasKC
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