Posted on 12/06/2009 9:02:04 AM PST by SeekAndFind
“Warren’s stand on the matter in this instance is what is in doubt – not Obama’s!”
MR. GREGORY: And so how should—what should the president do?
MR. WARREN: Well, I, I certainly am—I think we’ve had 46 million Americans who aren’t here, those who could be here since Roe v. Wade who are not voting. And I, I think that, in a sense, is a holocaust. I really do. Now, I think that we have to get beyond the, the name-calling and find common ground to work on, on these issues. Now, I don’t understand the, the idea of it should be rare and, and less. Well, either you believe it’s life or you don’t. It—why would you believe it should be rare? Because if, if it’s not—if a baby, a fetus is not a life, then why restrict it?”
NONE of this stopped Warren from going to Africa to PROMOTE ABORTION with Obama. NONE OF IT. It sounded good but Warren certainly didn’t have a problem PROMOTING ABORTION with Obama on the trip.
WAKE UP!
Warren says one thing and does another.
THAT is a HYPOCRITE.
It really didn’t matter. BTW, Palin recently went to visit him Besides, Billy Graham made it a point to OPENLY not want anything to do with Obama. It didn’t matter if he was up to it or not. Graham made an OPEN STAND AGAINST Obama. Unlike Warren who couldn’t get enough of Obama and palled around with him. Nah, there is no way to justify Warren and who he really is - a person with NO PRONICPLES when it comes to MONEY and FAME that will benefit him.
“Wonder how the apostle Peter would have been treated had they known that he denied Jesus Christ three times.”
Christ tole him he would do this.
Peter was devestated when he realized what he did.
Later Peter was crucified for Christ.
In no way shape or form is Warren another Peter.
GEESH!
Allow me to refresh yours;
Warren: The issue to me, I'm not opposed to that as much as I'm opposed to redefinition of a 5,000 year definition of marriage. I'm opposed to having a brother and sister being together and calling that marriage. I'm opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that marriage. I'm opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.
BELIEFNET: Do you think those are equivalent to gays getting married?
Oh , I do. For 5,000 years, marriage has been defined by every single culture and every single religion - this is not a Christian issue. Buddhist, Muslims, Jews - historically, marriage is a man and a woman. And the reason I supported Proposition 8, is really a free speech issue. Because first the court overrode the will of the people, but second there were all kinds of threats that if that did not pass then any pastor could be considered doing hate speech if he shared his views that he didn't think homosexuality was the most natural way for relationships, and that would be hate speech. We should have freedom of speech, ok? And you should be able to have freedom of speech to make your position and I should be able to have freedom of speech to make my position, and can't we do this in a civil way.
You can tell that the 2010 election season has started when the jackasses start showing up on the “media’s” radar screen again. I haven’t heard anything about this dork since he helped get BO elected.
ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WARREN WILL SAY AND ENDORSE THE OPPOSITE.
“President-elect Obama has again demonstrated his genuine commitment to bringing all Americans of goodwill together in search of common ground...I applaud his desire to be the president of every citizen.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/15/rick-warren-lauds-obama-c_n_158294.html
YES, WARREN WAS REFERRING TO HOMOSEXUALS.
Suddenly Warren's tune changed when he had a chance to promote himself, at least from his warped view in being part of Obama’s inauguration.
You see, Warren will say all kinds of things but unlike someone like Billy Graham they will NOT extract themselves from evil. Obama is evil but that didn't stop Warren from reneging on abortion and condemning homosexuals. Nope! Warren had to have the spotlight.
Can you seriously imagine Peter, saying marriage is between and man and a woman and then endorsing a politician who didn't see it that way by being part of his inauguration? I can't and NO BIBLE I know of had a Christian do that.
If you are impressed with a lying hypocrite, that is your choice. I know of other Christians that have literally died for Him than agree with something as unChristian as abortion or homosexuality.
Of course!
NEVER, EVER get to the ROOT PROBLEM with Aids. How convenient of Warren to sidestep that MAJOR ISSUE. In Africa it is those that screw around, have homosexually relations that get it. Of course, Warren lacks the balls to confront that and encourage monogamy, discourage promiscuity and condemn prostitution and homosexuality.
I am amazed that you are impressed with such a fake. Warren has no guts. Warren will NOT talk about the CAUSE, the ROOT PROBLEM of Aids and go right along with Obama to use ABORTION and wink a promiscuity and homosexuality.
Oh, I know, when not under pressure, he'll say it's wrong but when he is on the spot, his fame and $$$$ become more important and Warren will NOT MAKE A STAND for what the ROOT PROBLEM is.
How dare YOU, try to insult me with such excuses. Warren is a phony. Warren only thinks of himself. His “compassion” is misguided. True compassion addresses the ROOT PROBLEM and gets to the SOUL of the person and have them change their behavior. WARREN did NONE OF THAT when it could have made a difference.
I do not like Rick Warren, I think he is a fraud and has fallen into the lure of money and fame.
I have also read about him switching his position during the election season, between being opposed to gay marriage and then reversing that and supporting gay marriage. I believe he has led many people astray from his position of power.
I have also read about him switching his position during the election season, between being opposed to gay marriage and then reversing that and supporting gay marriage. I believe he has led many people astray from his position of power.”
Yes ... what you say is all true.
Also, God holds those in positions of authority to a HIGHER STANDARD. I’ don't gloat over Warren's fall but point it out so others are not fooled. I am convinced that some people want to be mislead. The misleading ways of Warren APPEAL to many who will NOT stand up for Biblical principles. They don't want to, just as Warren's doctrine conforms to our fallen culture.
Instead of Warren doing this:
Rom.12:2
[2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Warren conforms to our fallen culture in a slick way.
Warren missed an opportunity to TRANSFORM people with the healing power of Christ. If that had been Warren's true agenda, Obama would NEVER have allowed him to travel to Africa or be part of his inauguration. Fame, money and recognition got the better of Warren and it was easier to CONFORM to a fallen culture. No disciples that follows Christ reneges on God's principles like Warren continues to do.
Mayn people don't see that or want to see that because they are terribly compromised too. They want to beleive that if they follow him, maybe that will be their excuse when they stand before Him - but the turth is they have no excuse - just as Warren has no excuse not to be an adocate for Christianity instand if godless humanism.
I live a few miles from his church. Through members of that church to an overall osmosis effect & from a true unbiased opinion, I believe he is a fraud & his church members are misdirected.
I’ve seen this very often ... people LIKE the guy. They don’t want to hear or see that he is a FRAUD. They’ve been charmed by him. He’s probably very likable and people DIG THEIR HEELS in and DEFEND him because they LIKE him. Truth doesn’t matter. Hypocrisy doesn’t matter because they LIKE him.
What Warren’s statements about Obama make clear is that he is asleep.
Pro-abortion politicians are NOT normal participants in the political process. They are CRIMINALS.
Do we consider Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Goering, Goebbels, Pol Pot, et al., to be people who deserve a “place at the table,” people with “something to contribute to the national conversation,” people with whom we need to be searching for “common ground.”
Anyone who speaks of a pro-abortion politician in this way is simply asleep; he does not take seriously the evil of the abortion holocaust.
We will know that the awakening has begun when we no longer hear politicians (like Orrin Hatch or John McCain) say things like “There are good people on both sides of this issue” or “He’s a good family man, with whom I simply have some serious policy differences.” Hatch and McCain are hopeless, I think. But when “our side” understands that the “other side” is WICKED, EVIL, and VIOLENT, and not just “a little more liberal,” we will START to restore Western civilization.
You are so correct.
I saw a perfect example of this recently with regard to Joel Osteen. A man I was visiting with said, “but he makes you feel so good.”
I am no religious expert, but recently I have studied “false Prophets.” Some things that I took to heart were, False teachers exalt themselves. They do not follow biblical priciples and they are deceptive, crafty persuasive, greedy and they engage in trickery.
The gentlemen I was listening to, Mike Gendron said “we are to mark them and avoid them.”
He also said people are following personalities instead of the Bible.
Oprah is also a “false teacher.” She has promoted the New Age movement and led people away from sound biblical principles. She also exalts herself just look at her magazine that she is on the cover of practically every month. (Now how many magazines do you know of that feature a diferent picture of the same person each month?)
Oprah has promoted the movie “The Secret” it claims to be bible based but is not. It is New Age Garbage that quotes the bible and uses it to further the new age movement.
I am no religious expert, but recently I have studied “false Prophets.” Some things that I took to heart were, False teachers exalt themselves. They do not follow biblical principles and they are deceptive, crafty persuasive, greedy and they engage in trickery.
The gentlemen I was listening to, Mike Gendron said “we are to mark them and avoid them.”
He also said people are following personalities instead of the Bible.
It's all about FEELINGS!
They LIKE the personality.
Christianity is not about FEELINGS.
People are IGNORANT and don't bother to study it.
It's EASIER to have someone else tell them what they LIKE that fits in better with the world than TRUTH.
Willful IGNORANCE leads people astray.
The Bible is CLEAR about FEELINS:
Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.
Proverbs 28:26
He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But whoever walks wisely will be delivered.
There are many others but people don't bother to READ it. People are spiritually lazy and prefer to TRUST fallible man than God. This may sound harsh but it is the truth.
Olsteen is making a fortune stressing FEELINGS. Olsten is not even an ordained minister. He has no theological training but he is a marketing genius in making money. Olsteen's father must be spinning in his grave over his son's antics for money.
You are correct once again about the FEELINGS issue.
A recent example of this I witnessed was a good friend of 30 years who has gotten sucked into the New Age Movement. She has lost her morals, values and compassion for her friends and family. When I talked to her about it, her response was “but I like my belief system.”
She has watched the Secret no less than 50 times but doesn’t see it as “new age” or realize she has been brainwashed.
People like Oprah say that the doctrine of the Bible is “narrow minded” but in reality they are “narrow minded” because they are pushing their own doctrine while saying we shouldn’t follow biblical doctrine. I would rather follow God and the Bible than some self-centered New Age garbage.
Instead, they believed that God had spoken to each of them saying this is the person they should marry.
He said he heard God clearly tell him that this is who he will marry.“To many people, understandably, it (seeking or listening to God’s voice) sounds very mystical and a little bit strange,” Sheler acknowledges during the Web seminar. “But in the evangelical world, that kind of language is quite common, where someone will say, ‘I’ve been hearing from the Lord lately that I should do such and such.’”
So Rick Warren is one of those pentecostalist-lite, leaky canon evangelicals. I'm not surprised.
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