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Can Catholics Be Christians?
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church ^

Posted on 12/08/2009 11:41:52 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: the_conscience
What are those traditions?

Those false traditions of men?

Sola fide and TULIP.

341 posted on 12/08/2009 9:12:38 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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342 posted on 12/08/2009 9:13:25 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

If you notice, attacks increase around all Marion Feast days like clockwork.


343 posted on 12/08/2009 9:13:38 PM PST by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: murphE

Yes, and flying monkeys are deprived their food when they are intended to fly.


344 posted on 12/08/2009 9:14:43 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

This is similar to watching a Chihuahua chase his tail.


345 posted on 12/08/2009 9:25:27 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who support despotism of any kind.)
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To: Petronski

In 2002.

And you can quit being coy with me. We both know that your church finds its home in Rome.


346 posted on 12/08/2009 9:30:39 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Theo
We both know that your church finds its home in Rome.

False.

347 posted on 12/08/2009 9:31:48 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: SnakeDoctor
" I simply deny that such guidance is limited to the Catholic heirarchy"

I can't argue with that.

348 posted on 12/08/2009 9:32:20 PM PST by Natural Law (.)
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To: the_conscience
This is similar to watching a Chihuahua chase his tail.

I recommend you stop.

You'll never catch it.

349 posted on 12/08/2009 9:32:27 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: the_conscience
Oh, and of course, I should repeat, I recommend you turn away from the man-made false traditions of sola fide and TULIP.
350 posted on 12/08/2009 9:34:23 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: the_conscience
Oh, and of course, I should repeat, I recommend you turn away from the man-made false traditions of sola fide and TULIP.

Repent of them. Turn to Christ and the Church He founded for us.

351 posted on 12/08/2009 9:35:16 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Catholic.. Christian... Hey, we are all in this together!


352 posted on 12/08/2009 9:35:20 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: Petronski
I expected such arrogance. Would a watch maker call a man ignorant because he doesn't know the workings of a clock? And so, here in lies my dissatisfaction with the self made Gods that occupy my grandfathers Church. Such a barrier to so many and such a disgraceful pity.
353 posted on 12/08/2009 9:35:37 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Amen, as the vast majority of Catholics and protestants agree.

The number of those who disagree is vanishingly small.

354 posted on 12/08/2009 9:36:29 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Gamecock

Since “outside the Church there is absolutely no salvation” perhaps the better question is whether or not someone consciously living apart from the unity of the Catholic Church, say an ex-Catholic “Orthodox Presbyterian”, or an agressive anti-Catholic Protestant, can get to heaven.

Personally, I don’t see it happening.


355 posted on 12/08/2009 9:36:50 PM PST by Heliand
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To: Earthdweller
And so, here in lies my dissatisfaction with the self made Gods that occupy my grandfathers Church.

Your grandfather was a Calvinist?

356 posted on 12/08/2009 9:37:39 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Gamecock; Petronski

We must believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church. Hence they who are out of our Church, or separated, cannot be saved, except infants who die after baptism.
-St. Alphonsus de Liguori, Instructions on the Commandments and Sacraments, pt. 1, sec. 1, n. 10


357 posted on 12/08/2009 9:39:03 PM PST by Heliand
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To: Theo

“We both know that your church finds its home in Rome.”

You are clueless. To help let me lend you one, look up “Cathedral”. Note what it means. A resident of Rome has a Church home in Rome. No one else.


358 posted on 12/08/2009 9:39:42 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: Theo
I've never talked to a dead person. Not sure there's much value in doing so.

Mary was a special woman, a chosen vessel through whom the Messiah would come. But she's dead

Scripture says that Jesus has destroyed death.

Jesus himself said that those who believe in him shall never die.

I'm sorry you don't believe him.

359 posted on 12/08/2009 9:40:09 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Gamecock

Q. Have Protestants any faith in Christ?
A. They never had.
Q. Why not?
A. Because there never lived any such a Christ as they imagine and believe in.
Q. In what kind of Christ to they believe?
A. In such a one whom they can make a liar with impunity, whose doctrines they can interpret as they please, and who does not care what a man believes, provided he be an honest man before the public.
Q. Will such a faith in such a Christ save Protestants?
A. No sensible man will assert such an absurdity.
Q. What will Christ say to them on the day of judgement?
A. I know you not, because you never knew me.
Q. Are Protestants willing to confess their sins to a Catholic bishop or priest, who alone has power from Christ to forgive sins? “Whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven them.”
A. No; for they generally have an utter aversion to confession, and therefore their sins will not be forgiven them throughout all eternity.
Q. What follows from this?
A. That they die in their sins and are damned.
Q. But is it not a very uncharitable doctrine to say that no one can be saved out of the Church?
A. On the contrary, it is a very great act of charity to assert most emphatically, that out of the Catholic Church there is no salvation possible; for Jesus Christ and His Apostles have taught this doctrine in very plain language.
-Fr. Michael Mueller, CSsR, “Familiar Explanation of Christian Doctrine”


360 posted on 12/08/2009 9:41:37 PM PST by Heliand
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