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To: silverleaf

A faith that requires a piece of cloth is not worth having.


9 posted on 12/17/2009 5:26:24 AM PST by Gamecock (A faith that requires a piece of cloth is not worth having.)
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To: Gamecock

How sad that so many require a piece of cloth of questionable origin to help justify their faith.
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How said a person would spend his time on earth attacking other believers.


12 posted on 12/17/2009 5:30:27 AM PST by Radl
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To: Gamecock

the anti-faith, not Christianity, seems to be the one, that “requires” proof of the origins of the shroud of Turin

CS Lewis did not need the Shroud of Turin to be a Christian, neither do the rest of the world’s Christians

if it is proven a faux relic, the faith will go on even as the anti-faith rejoices in its seeming triumph


14 posted on 12/17/2009 5:36:39 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: Gamecock

“A faith that requires a piece of cloth is not worth having.”

Gamecock,

A piece of cloth?

Is that how you describe the progress we have had in the first 2000 years after Christ?

Tell me, what kind of progress was there during the 2000 years before Christ?

Piles of rock that got progressively bigger?

Religions that commit animal sacrifice to cleanse them of their sins?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1135491.html


19 posted on 12/17/2009 5:54:26 AM PST by blackminorca
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To: Gamecock
"A faith that requires a piece of cloth is not worth having."

I agree, but sometimes God presents us with miracles just because he loves us, and not because we "require" it. Suppose just for a moment, that Christ did leave us the shroud and it is 100% authentic. Do you think he would have done so out of pure whimsy or without some higher intent?

Even St. Thomas the Apostle required physical proof of Christ's resurrection, and Christ did not turn him away, but invited him to probe the wounds. Indeed Christ blessed those who, "have not seen, but still believe," but he didn't exactly run Thomas out of town, either.

I don't need the shroud at all for my faith, but it remains an intriguing anomaly, and if it has drawn but one skeptic out of himself and turned him to God saving his soul, it is indeed, imbued with a touch of the miraculous.

21 posted on 12/17/2009 5:56:50 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Gamecock
A faith that requires a piece of cloth is not worth having.

Far better to share the faith of Christ in the Church He founded for us: the Catholic Church.

27 posted on 12/17/2009 6:19:50 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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