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To: GOP_Party_Animal
By God, you're right! I'm going to stop singing hymns, saying prayers, and stop going to Church altogether, as God knows what's in my heart. Helllllloooo Sunday football!

You'll have to try harder than that with me.

No, it would not be analogous to putting a stop to the singing of hymns, or saying prayers, or going to Church.

No.

It would be akin to stipulating that when singing to God one should sing the hymn in a sombre falsetto, when saying a prayer you should say it with a sad face, and when going to church on Sunday you should wear thread-bare clothes and clasp your hands together. Those are things that do not matter since you can sing Gregorian chants, say your prayers in Aramaic with the saddest of expressions, and go to church while kneeling and scraping your knees and wearing sack cloth ...but if your heart is not in the right place it is for naught.

Anyways, some more words from Christ Himself ...a passage from Luke 11 known as the 'six woes:

'Luke 11: 37 - 53 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38But the Pharisee, noticing that Jesus did not first wash before the meal, was surprised.

39Then the Lord said to him, "Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41But give what is inside the dish [j] to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

42"Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

43"Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces.

44"Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which men walk over without knowing it."

45One of the experts in the law answered him, "Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also."

46Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

47"Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your forefathers who killed them. 48So you testify that you approve of what your forefathers did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49Because of this, God in his wisdom said, 'I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.' 50Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

52"Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering."

53When Jesus left there, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54waiting to catch him in something he might say.

Matthew 23: 1 - 37 also has the same words as above ...just in much harsher tones (e.g. 25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. 33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? ).

Or from another example from Christ, the parable of the tax collector (who prayed from his heart, saying he was not worthy) vs the Pharisee (who had a nice elaborate prayer) ...and Christ said 14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.".

It all boils down to where your heart stands with God.

13 posted on 12/22/2009 2:19:21 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz
Yes, I’m familiar with the Pharisees, and the numerous Gospel verses that speak of them. Why is it that every Evangelical I come across thinks they’ve got some winning argument against Catholics in the Pharisees?

While Jesus had plenty to criticize in mindless adherence to meaningless rules, He never urged Jews to abandon religious tradition. What was on the menu for The Last Supper?

Traditions are important, whether it’s kneeling to show reverence to the Sacrament of the Eucharist, reaffirmation of beliefs through recitation of the Nicene Creed, or a myriad of other traditions within the Church He started. Traditionalists are not “rotten on the inside” just because they are traditionalists. Catholics are not Pharisees. Understand?

15 posted on 12/22/2009 2:54:23 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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