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To: RnMomof7

1) Sola scripture is not taught in the Sacred Scriptures.

Of course it is 2 Tim3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

vedadjusticia answers:
Pitifull!! That’s it ha? Your whole sytem of belief is scripturally based on that one line? It does not say ONLY SCRIPTURE. You say that ONLY scripture is. That one line does not say “ONLY”.


RnMomof7 WROTE:
Even your church fathers knew that scripture was to be the FINAL authority in matters of faith (what sola scriptura means)

“Ignorance of prophetic diction and unskillfulness in interpreting Scripture has led them into a perversion of the point and meaning of the passage.” (Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, Book 1, 35)

“In order to solve as easily as possible this most difficult problem, we must first master the knowledge which the Divine Scriptures give of Father and of Son, that so we may speak with more precision, as dealing with familiar and accustomed matters.” (Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, Book 3, 2)

Verdadjusticia RESPONDS: This is pathetic. He does not say ANYTHING about ONLY scripture (self interpreted by anyone)being the FINAL AND ONLY in neither quote!

“Let this, then, Christ-loving man, be our offering to you, just for a rudimentary sketch and outline, in a short compass, of the faith of Christ and of His Divine appearing to usward. But you, taking occasion by this, if you light upon the text of the Scriptures, by genuinely applying your mind to them, will learn from them more completely and clearly the exact detail of what we have said. For they were spoken and written by God, through men who spoke of God. But we impart of what we have learned from inspired teachers who have been conversant with them, who have also become martyrs for the deity of Christ, to your zeal for learning, in turn. (Athanasius, On the Incarnation of the Word, 56)

Again does not say anything about ONLY scripture as FINAL authority.

Moreover, right in the quote that you give he says “But we impart of what we have learned from inspired teachers who have been conversant with them”. What do you think that means?


“Whereas, therefore, in every question, which relates to life and conduct, not only teaching, but exhortation also is necessary; in order that by teaching we may know what is to be done, and by exhortation may be incited not to think it irksome to do what we already know is to be done; what more can I teach you, than what we read in the Apostle? For holy Scripture setteth a rule to our teaching, that we dare not “be wise more than it behoveth to be wise;” but be wise, as himself saith, “unto soberness, according as unto each God hath allotted the measure of faith.” (Augustine, On the Good of Widowhood, 2)

Receive, my children, the Rule of Faith, which is called the Symbol (or Creed). And when ye have received it, write it in your heart, and be daily saying it to yourselves; ... For this is the Creed which ye are to rehearse and to repeat in answer. These words which ye have heard are in the Divine Scriptures scattered up and down: but thence gathered and reduced into one, that the memory of slow persons might not be distressed; that every person may be able to say, able to hold, what he believes. For have ye now merely heard that God is Almighty? But ye begin to have him for your father, when ye have been born by the church as your Mother. (Augustine, On the Nicene Creed: a Sermon to the Catechumens,

Verdadjusticia RESPONDS:
He’s teaching them to follow the Creed, do you know what creed is? No creed is written in scripture. Your every example not only don’t teach the self interpretation of the bible as the ONLY source of revelation, nor the FINAL authority , BUT they actually mention oral traditions.


Verdadjusticia CLOSING OBSERVATION:
You have not posted one example from scripture that says that ONLY the bible self interpreted by anyone is the SOLE and FINAL authority? You have not even been able to find one from oral tradition, (which you don’t adhere to anyways).

Here’s is clear instruction which precisely addresses the failings of your “ONLY the bible self interpreted by anyone is the SOLE and FINAL authority”:

ST. VINCENT OF LERINS [ A. D. 434 ]

With great zeal and closest attention, therefore, I frequently inquired of many men, eminent for their holiness and doctrine, how I might, in a concise and, so to speak, general and ordinary way, distinguish the truth of the Catholic faith from the falsehood of heretical depravity. I received almost always the same answer from all of them, that if I or anyone else wanted to expose the frauds and escape the snares of the heretics who rise up, and to remain intact and sound in a sound faith, it would be necessary, with the help of the Lord, to fortify that faith in a twofold manner: first, of course, by the authority of the divine law; and then, by the Tradition of the Catholic Church. [Here, perhaps, someone may ask: “If the canon of the Scriptures be perfect, and in itself more than suffices for everything, why is it necessary that the authority of ecclesiastical interpretation be joined to it?” Because, quite plainly, Sacred Scripture, by reason of its own depth, is not accepted by everyone as having one and the same meaning. The same passage is interpreted in one way by some, in another by others, so that it can almost appear as if there are as many opinions as there are men. Novatian explains a passage in one way, Sabellius in another, Donatus in another; Anus, Eunomius, Macedonius in another; Photinus, Apollinaris, Priscillian in another; Jovinian, Pelagius, Caelestius in another; and afterwards in still another, Nestorius. And thus, because of so many distortions of such various errors, it is highly necessary that the line of prophetic and apostolic interpretation be directed in accord with the norm of the ecclesiastical and Catholic meaning. ....


323 posted on 01/05/2010 7:56:46 PM PST by verdadjusticia
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To: verdadjusticia

The whole text of St. Vincent of Lerins is in this thread, it’s #162


324 posted on 01/05/2010 8:00:00 PM PST by verdadjusticia
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