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To: irishtenor

“”No, he does Not””

Wrong! We are not sin zombies with no free will waiting for God to zap us into being elected by Him without us accepting Him freely.We are not in a mindless state of depravity-we have a free will


112 posted on 02/23/2010 6:53:30 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

Try reading the Bible sometime. I can find depravity all though it. Man is a sinner. You are a sinner, I am a sinner. If you are saved by the grace of God, as I am, you are STILL a sinner, but a saved one. No man is perfect, no man comes to God UNLESS he is called by God. Anyone who says anything else is confused, a fool, or a liar. A fool says in his heart there is no sin.
I will agree you have a free will... to sin, and you exercise that will every day.
What no man has is a will to turn to God. No man does that.


114 posted on 02/23/2010 7:00:44 PM PST by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: stfassisi

“we have a free will”

I see. You can also say, “I am a genius.” And that assertion will also be met with a degree of doubt.

So, here is your MO, as I see it. You post a long article - less than convincing - written by someone else, which pushes what you want to believe. And then you scream at anyone who disagrees with you. I see no engagement of argument, no thoughtful discourse, nothing but copy+paste+scream. Is this Roman Catholic apologetics? Talk about a barren harvest.

I think the entire object of this and so many other similar exercises (some of which emanate from some of your opposite numbers) as being to offend and bash. I see no attempt to tone down emotions and and actually appeal reasonably and rationally to the “free will” that you claim exists in man, but to ratchet up emotions from the start the better to get the invective started. I see no respect, no civility.

In short, I see no seriousness of purpose ... or sincerity of purpose.


152 posted on 02/23/2010 9:03:46 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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