Thanks for the ping.
Posted on 02/24/2010 9:36:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
I did. That was in the Archdiocese of St.Paul/Mpls when Archbishop Roach was in charge. But I found out later that it only affected me, not the rest of my family.
Hey Hoss,
Careful or you’ll get a “funny” cat caption. 8?P
So do I. I had an Aunt that was a Benedictine Nun and she constantly sent us requests for money to support their order. Then the Franciscan monastery near where I used to live sends a once a year request for money, besides their newsletter every now and then. Yes, that was a few decades since I was a Catholic.
Thanks for the ping.
Thank you for the suggestion.
meow.
Matthew 16: 24 19 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, 20 take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 21 26 What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life? 27 22 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
This is one of the core messages of the Gospel.
Excellent! BTW, what version of the Bible are you using? Just curious :-)
The NAB, from the USCCB website (I find the navigation better than the identical text at the Vatican.va website). For those who I regularly post to, I normally refer to the source every once in a while. Of course, those who I don't regularly post to would not know the source.
I suppose I ought to be using the Douay-Rheims, but the online availability and the good navigation of the NAB are very tempting.
I have been attempting to follow your posts and your experiences falling away from the Church, so thank you for that.
Check out e-sword.com
They have Douay-Rheims available for a free download, with Wescott-Hort and KJV both with Strong’s Concordance referenced per word in superscript.
Also drbo.org.
Very good. I had forgotten about them. I had a D-R from them downloaded onto my Palm Pilot that I carried for many years until Palm retired from making the best palmtops in the world. Thanks.
And thank you as well.
Conscience,
Waste of tin-foil. Meh.
Funny pic though. :D
Hoss
Yes, and better than the Douay-Rheims, IMHO. In that version Mt. 16:25-26 creates confusion, translating the Greek term psuche as life in verse 25 and then as soul in verse 26. But I understand that the new version is going to correct that mistake. I keep track of little things like that :-)
I have been attempting to follow your posts and your experiences falling away from the Church, so thank you for that.
There is much more to it than what I posted, a lot more. I was tutored by Father Stark of St. Michaels church for two years to enter the priesthood, even to visiting the seminary for a week to see how it runs. Interesting, but not for me. Father Stark was a terrific man, and we had many excellent conversations about what the Bible says versus what the church told us to believe. I will miss him. He was very open and honest with me as to the beliefs we were supposed to hold - and said that I should just let the holy Spirit lead me in that. I did, and within a few years was investigating all the various denomination in Christianity and non-Christian religions. It was quite a deep investigation - long, 7 years! I continued my studies and became convinced that there were too many rules and regulation in the Catholic church that were not really part of Christianity. I found that the truth really sets one free to live a life following what is revealed in the Scriptures - it's, to me, a way of life, not a religion.
I know that's hard to understand, but truth is truth, no matter where one finds it. One just has to look without colored glasses, i.e., without a bias.
Thank you for your interest. God bless you and I hope you continue to examine what you believe and why.
PRAISE GOD FOR YOUR TENACITY.
PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS TO YOU IN THAT PROCESS.
PRAISE GOD FOR YOUR INTEGRITY TO FACE AND FOLLOW GOD’S TRUTH.
That was offered as a rebuttal to your:
And yet, they CANNOT be separate because we believe that God is ONE. We also believe that Jesus was God. And we believe that they were separate "somethings":) --> you cannot put those 3 beliefs together without the idea of the Trinity.
My belief per se, is incidental. What I am pointing to is the bare fact that other solutions to the Godhead can just as easily exist, and qualify, by the evidence.
[...] so I asked you do you believe in 3 Gods?
To clarify, I have already declared that I do fit within the Trinitarian model - albeit loosely so.
I believe there is ONE God, Yahweh, Jehovah, who IS the great I AM. I believe that His Son, Yeshua, Jesus, is the promised Messiah, the Lion of Judah, King over ALL things, and is part and parcel, Jehovah Himself. I believe that The Holy Spirit, Ruach HaKodesh, fills the Temple of the Lord, and is, part and parcel, Jehovah Himself. These things can be proved upon the Word.
By which method that is made true is not made known - as the Scriptures are silent. But the knowledge of that method is neither needful, nor necessary, as the Father has blessed us, and ordained an order by which He is to be approached by anyone. Ergo, if one uses the means God has provided, the point is made moot.
And to assign a definition to Yahweh which is not as He has revealed is blasphemous. The Trinitarian "Hypostatic Union" is not declared by the Father, and I will not blindly endorse it.
To wit: What the Bible DOES say is that Yahweh is ONE. That is as far as I am willing to go.
But Arianism does the very same thing that Trinitarian-ism does - It is provable in the Scriptures in an affirmative defense, but one must overlook the errata which stand against it, in order to claim it as true. That does not make it "TRUE."
Put it in this fashion: Everything must begin in the "We Don't Know" column. In order to move a question into an answer column, the question should invariably be a boolean equation. No "maybes". No "Ifs" or "Nested Ifs" can be applied unless they also result in a boolean answer. "Yes" or "No", "True" or "False". Otherwise, the answer cannot be made, and the question must return to the "We Don't Know" column.
In such a case, an affirmative defense cannot be used - ALL data of ALL types must be taken into account.
Eternal Truth will be sustained in such a case, and "that which is not yet revealed" cannot be assumed in an artificial construct.
Good points from an “on-the-ground” perspective. Thank you!
Exactly..your view is that God the Father and the Son (Jesus Christ) are one and the same person, nature etc. and that it is just us mortals who perceive them as separate. What scripture do you see that states that the Holy Spirit is not a separate entity? After all, Jesus does say that after Him, the Spirit will come and teach.
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