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To: Godzilla; Edward Watson; Tennessee Nana

Here are more quotes about the subservience of women and women being property

“I say to those who are elected to go on missions, remember they are not your sheep: they belong to Him that sends you. Then do not make a choice of any of those sheep; do not make selections before they are brought home and put into the fold. You under stand that. Amen” - Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.256.

“Brethren, I want you to understand that it is not to be as it has been heretofore. The brother missionaries have been in the habit of picking out the prettiest women for themselves before they get here, and bringing on the ugly ones for us; hereafter you have to bring them all here before taking any of them, and let us all have a fair shake.” - Apostle Heber C. Kimball, The Lion of the Lord, New York, 1969, pp.129-30.

“BUT IT IS NOT THE PRIVILEGE OF A WOMAN TO DICTATE THE HUSBAND, AND TELL WHO OR HOW MANY HE SHALL TAKE, OR WHAT HE SHALL DO WITH THEM WHEN HE GETS THEM, BUT IT IS THE DUTY OF THE WOMAN TO SUBMIT CHEERFULLY... “
- Brigham Young; Journal Of Discourses; vol. 17; 159

“If I should undertake to drive a woman, I should have to drive her before me”
JoD 4: 15 Jedediah Grant

“When England and the rest of the nations learn war no more, instead of passing a law in this or any other nation against a man having more than one wife, they will pass a law to make men do as they should in honoring the daughters of Eve and making wives of and providing for them. Will not this be a happy time? Yes, very fine. If you will produce this to-day, I’ll tell you what I would be willing to do, I would be willing to give up half or two-thirds of my wives ... Do this and you are welcome to them. Would I get more wives? If I had a mind to.”

BY JD 12:255

Women are a possession like any other:
“It is also according to the acts of every legislative body throughout the Union, to enjoy all that you are capable of enjoying; but you are forbidden to infringe upon the rights, property, wife, or anything in the possession of your neighbor. “

BY JD 1:358

“Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands? Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? What!-my husband to be my lord? I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? Have any of you been there? You will remember that you never go into the celestial kingdom (during the temple ceremony) without the aid of your husband. If you did, it was because your husband was away, and some one had to act proxy for him. No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p 291)

“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife... as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.”

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Latter-day Saint Messenger and Advocate, Nov. 1835

Wont you be so kind and so good as to take those pins or the india-rubber cords out of the back of the skirts of your dresses, so that you will look comely. They make you look uncomely, to see your dresses drawn around you, showing your form. Mothers ought to be ashamed of teaching their children such things.
- Brigham Young; Journal Of Discourses; vol. 19

“But when a man does his duty in providing for a family, there can reasonably be but little complaint on the part of any sensible woman.”
JoD 4:312

“If I should undertake to drive a woman, I should have to drive her before me”
JoD 4: 15 Jedediah Grant

“every ….. man’s wives to take a course to please their husband
JoD 4: 15

“Women were never placed to lead”
JoD 4: 15

“Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands? Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? What!-my husband to be my lord? I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? Have any of you been there? You will remember that you never go into the celestial kingdom (during the temple ceremony) without the aid of your husband. If you did, it was because your husband was away, and some one had to act proxy for him. No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p 291)

“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife... as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.”

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Latter-day Saint Messenger and Advocate, Nov. 1835

“Women are queens and priestesses but not gods. The Godhead, the ‘Presidency of Heaven,’ is a presidency of three male deities, similar to a stake presidency whose members each have wives who are responsible for domestic religious education but not ecclesiastical functions.”

- Rodney Turner, retired BYU religion professor, Sunstone Panel Discussion, September 7, 1991.

“When England and the rest of the nations learn war no more, instead of passing a law in this or any other nation against a man having more than one wife, they will pass a law to make men do as they should in honoring the daughters of Eve and making wives of and providing for them. Will not this be a happy time? Yes, very fine. If you will produce this to-day, I’ll tell you what I would be willing to do, I would be willing to give up half or two-thirds of my wives ... Do this and you are welcome to them. Would I get more wives? If I had a mind to.”

BY JD 12:255

Women are a possession like any other:
“It is also according to the acts of every legislative body throughout the Union, to enjoy all that you are capable of enjoying; but you are forbidden to infringe upon the rights, property, wife, or anything in the possession of your neighbor. “

BY JD 1:358


133 posted on 03/12/2010 3:42:33 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; Godzilla; Edward Watson

Maybe the mormon gtod is getting ready to answer the “prophets” pleas to include women as worthy priesthood holders...

Just as the mormon god answered the pleas of the prophet in 1978 and decided that black men were no longer the scum of the earth but equal with white men...

Until 1978, mormons had taught that blacks were unworthy to God and unworthy of priesthood, and that they had the mark of Cain etc and were not valiant and were only good for servants and slaves..

Then the mormon god changed his mind...just in time to savew the mormon corporation from losing their tax exemption due to the Civil Rights Act of 1964..

as he had in 1890 with polygamy to save the mormon corporation from losing their land and belongings to the US government and to enable Utah to become a state...

Now you have to ask yourself...

What is it that the mormon corporation hopes to gain OR avoid losing that they would get so desparate as to elevate lowly females...

and then of course pretend that women were always EQUAL...

Curses Macaroni, the god of the Internet is too strong for the mormon god...


138 posted on 03/12/2010 3:56:13 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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