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To: MissesBush; colorcountry
Mormonism teaches Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. And even if we didn’t believe in Christ’s pre-earth life as having been divine which we do believe, why does that deny our ability to worship Christ?

Two simple questions mb

1. How could Jesus be a god in the OT since he had not yet followed all the ordinaces, works necessary while being a human? It seems he broke the eternal principles of eternal progression.
“You are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.…Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God....ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.… Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.”—Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; 46:9 Jesus doesn't know of the existance of his father Elohim?

2. I am told by mormon missionaries that mormons worship only heavenly father - is worshiping Christ something new?

134 posted on 03/12/2010 3:49:40 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
The second issue you lists, follows my “Mormon Christians” concept. I feel there are folks who view themselves as traditional Christians in the LDS, and are by choice or ignorance, not paying attention to the doctrine. Perhaps they like the lifestyle, the impressive buildings who knows but they seem totally out of phase with what they chosen religion really represents, and indeed of display an almost protestant tone in their words.

Rather odd, but never underestimate the power of PR.

141 posted on 03/12/2010 4:24:29 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: Godzilla; MissesBush; colorcountry

I am told by mormon missionaries that mormons worship only heavenly father - is worshiping Christ something new?

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McConkie spoke against worshiping Christ,as have other LDS leaders. But if MB is a fairly recent convert she may not be aware of it. I am constantly amazed at how little the LDS actually know about their teachings, doctrines and history.

From: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843

Now, it is no secret that many false and vain and foolish things are being taught in the sectarian world and even among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus. I shall summarize the true doctrine in this field and invite erring teachers and beguiled students to repent and believe the accepted gospel verities as I shall set them forth.

Doctrines of Eternal Life

Let us set forth those doctrines and concepts that a gracious God has given to us in this day and which must be understood in order to gain eternal life. They are:

1. We worship the Father and him only and no one else.

We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense—the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.

Our revelations say that the Father “is infinite and eternal,” that he created “man, male and female,”

And gave unto them commandments that they should love and serve him, the only living and true God, and that he should be the only being whom they should worship. [D&C 20:17–19]

Jesus said:

True worshippers shall [note that this is mandatory] worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth. [JST John 4:25–26]

There is no other way, no other approved system of worship.

5. Christ worked out his own salvation by worshiping the Father.

After the Firstborn of the Father, while yet a spirit being, had gained power and

intelligence that made him like unto God; after he had become, under the Father, the Creator of worlds without number; after he had reigned on the throne of eternal power as the Lord Omnipotent—after all this he yet had to gain a mortal and then an immortal body.

After the Son of God “made flesh” his “tabernacle,” and while he “dwelt among the sons of men”; after he left his preexistent glory as we all do at birth; after he was born of Mary in Bethlehem of Judea—after all this he was called upon to work out his own salvation.

Of our Lord’s life while in this mortal probation the scripture says:

He received not of the fulness at the first, but received grace for grace;

And he received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness.

Finally, after his resurrection,

he received a fulness of the glory of the Father;

And he received all power, both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father was with him, for he dwelt in him. [D&C 93:12–14, 16–17]

Note it, please, the Lord Jesus worked out his own salvation while in this mortal probation by going from grace to grace, until, having overcome the world and being raised in immortal glory, he became like the Father in the full, complete, and eternal sense.


152 posted on 03/12/2010 6:20:57 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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