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To: Godzilla

The copy/pastes I refer to are the old and tired arguments against the LDS church.


Waiting for direct evidence of this.


It’s from personal experience. I have proposed many of these arguments myself years ago and others I have since seen others propose on other boards.

It’s the same stuff. Over and over.

Then I actually bothered to try to find out the truth. No one did it for me just as I can’t do it for any of you.


76 posted on 03/12/2010 12:40:45 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
The copy/pastes I refer to are the old and tired arguments against the LDS church. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Waiting for direct evidence of this.

It’s from personal experience. I have proposed many of these arguments myself years ago and others I have since seen others propose on other boards.

This is what is called a non-answer PD. Can you face into the statement you made - and provide proof. Personal experience bla bla bla, doesn't cut it when you make the accusations.

Try to find the truth - Ok, where in the western hemisphere have the numerous cities listed in the bom been authentically found and recognized by non-mormons. Remember - TRUTH, not feelings.

79 posted on 03/12/2010 12:58:43 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Paragon Defender

Then I actually bothered to try to find out the truth.

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I was LDS for several years, then *I* actually bothered to try to find out the truth, and left the LDS in the dust.


82 posted on 03/12/2010 1:17:52 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Paragon Defender

Did you objectively search for the truth about the founder of mormonism? If you had, you would find that the whole religion is founded upon very shaky ground. If you subscribe to the belief that JS was an honorable, chaste and virtuous man, then one has been mislead. He was none of those, in fact, he was the antithesis of those values and morals.

I will preface the following with this; most mormons are good and decent people, like any other group of people, they have their bad apples. I am married to a mormon, a very active mormon. Works in the temple, so that should tell you that she is obeying the tenets of her faith.

For those who have been encouraged to research the LdS religion, I will tell you this as an apostate, a member of the Melchizidek Priesthood, temple recommend holder, sealed to my wife in the Washington D.C. temple, an active and fully participating member of the LdS for over 6 years.

A man whose eyes were finally opened because of the efforts of the very people on this board who have been accused of lying and attacking a religion that many of them know intimately because they were members at one time. Some were born into it, having family history that traces back to the founding of mormonism.

It goes without saying that the basis for the religion is JS. One must have complete faith in him and what he purported was the truth. Yet, for reasonable people, this is impossible because as we now know, he was a liar and a deceiver. A less than common manipulator, thief and adulterer. He took those traits to a whole other level.

It is well known that the LdS contradict themselves in their scripture, in their teachings and in their doctrine. They can’t reconcile their doctrine with the Bible, though they try, because in their Articles of Faith, they denigrate the Bible with the disclaimer “As far as it is translated correctly”. So from the beginning, they marginalized the Bible and its teachings in order to put in place their own perverted religion.

One need only look at those simple facts and it should be readily apparent that there is no truth to be found within mormonism. It is unbiblical and unchristian. Where in the Bible can one find the scripture that states that men can become gods? Where in the Bible can one find that men are to be rulers over kingdoms with a harem of women giving birth to “spirit babies” for eternity?

Sounds suspiciously like islam doesn’t it? The promise of 72 virgins comes to mind. Promise an earthly man eternal sex and you’re going to have quite a following.

For the lurkers or any other poster, I encourage you to please do as was recommended on this thread. Research mormonism, research the teachings, the doctrine, the history. Do so objectively, but do so by comparing a conventional KJV of the Bible to the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible to see the significant differences between the two. Do so by asking your pastor, church leader or a person you trust that has a knowledge of scripture. One you can trust to be reasonable and reasonably unbiased in helping you to discover the truth.

Don’t do so based on how nice a mormon is. Do so based on your desire for Biblical truth and your eternal salvation.


164 posted on 03/12/2010 10:24:40 PM PST by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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